Pinktober Revolution
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In Grand Rapids, MI they have "Bras Across the Grand" (a river) sponsored by the American Cancer Society. On the FB page for "Bras" the ACS states the following:
Breast cancer exams, mammograms and other screenings increase the chances of detecting breast cancer early when they are most likely to be curable.
You mean my BC is curable and no one told me?!?!
AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY-BRAS ACROSS THE GRAND is the FB page.
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Well I do wear make up and plan to continue to, but I have tried to be more aware of what I'm using. I did not know that Estee Lauder owned all those other companies. I do know that I won't wear Beautiful perfume anymore. I love that frangrance and hae used it for years. I have to be honest and say that I never noticed that it said may contain know carcinegens until I watched Pink Ribbons, Inc. Then again, just about everything we touch has something in it that's bad for us.
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Cotton--one of the links in my notes on the Archives threads has an organization that has a list of known carcinogens another term that can be used almost interchangeably with carcinogen is oncogenic. May be you could start a companion thread and we can link it here? It's an important thread concept. People need info in order to make choices. I don't think there is another thread that is doing it? In my search on BCRF and Estee Lauder mention was made of two other big companies doing animal research. Don't want to surmise without looking at notes. The whole China thing has subverted years of getting American companies to STOP. But if word gets out further to the general public. It may well turn the tide. Do these companies value the Chinese market greater than they value the American market? What does it mean about products COMING FROM CHINA? What are they doing in China with animal research that final products are then entered into the American market? China is such a sludge pool of contamination. China may think they are taking some sort of highroad, by requiring animal testing, when they are poisoning their own people with no waste control-China does not have an EPA as we do. Or other things like the "clean Water Act. etc.. Think of the Olympics ---that highly trained atheletes chose to take a pass at their dream, rather then jeopardize their health by going to Bejing. China had to cut operations at multiply plants around the city to get the air to clear. DUH, and they require our market to test? What a frigging joke.-----OH OH OH-----wonder how many cosmetic products come into our market from China? They enter are market b/c of FreeTrade agreements and no one questions how there products are produced, but they require our companies to dance to a tune that the American people find digusting, against our ethics, morals, sensibilities and are repugnant. Outcome ----a decreased income for American firms. Who looses the American people---slaps down American production--ergo jobs.
Okay, I'm thinking they are playing with us. A full blown conspiracy by the chinese inner circle to use our own beliefs against us. Cotton--girl are you up to finding the answer to this?
Wren Please, read the Header--the links are there. Once you use them, traveling between the connected threads is a breeaze. You are unfamiliar with this type of travel b/c I made it up. It's new. It's Fun. It's easy. Look up to the header
Barbie, glad to see you
, my little buttons above have disappeared and can't do spell check.GRRRR Can't give you a smiley face. I know where the bold box is--number 1. Small trials.Junif--glad to see you too and yes I did tone down My Mother Superior hands on hips approach--non-Catholics will not quite get that one, wish you could b/c you could have a belly laugh. When I contacted ACS during the time of need, everything I asked for they said they didn't provide. It became a game for me at the time. I asked for stuff, we didn't need just to see what their response would be. After all the questions, the only thing they said they could do was provide money for pain medicine and could not do that retroactively. When I got off the phone, I remember thinking they were worthless, but that was 2010. Yeah, for those that are insured, pain meds are a covered item. Yes, many are uninsured. But to me it was a smoke screen. "ACS---lets choose and item to cover that many cancer people have coverage for through insurance, we still sound good , but are really doing nothing." " but we get to keep all the money people send us". May be I should do them next for the List thread. Dig for the facts.
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Unfortunately, I don't have time right now to work on a thread like that. I volunteer with a rabbit rescue, and I've got a lot of web updates to work on, and I am a moderator on another forum.
I love makeup. I collect it more than I wear it, but I love it nonetheless. I do slather on creams and lotions every day, my skin is a disaster otherwise.
As for the question of companies that value the dollar over ethics, and listening to their American customers... There is one brand I use that announced plans to move into China, and met with such outrage that they did end up cancelling that. It's an indie brand, and part of their original marketing was against animal testing, so the announcement really shook up their core customer base. While people who care about animal testing enough to not purchase from companies that do it are in the minority, overall, we make up the majority of this company's customers. I'm sure their final decision was based on the huge revenues they would be losing, but whatevs, I'm just glad they changed their minds. (The company is called Urban Decay.)
I think getting the bigger companies to change would be much more difficult, as the general cosmetic-buying public either doesn't care, or they think it's not a big deal. They're also more likely to say they disagree with animal testing, but buy the products anyway. The companies also haven't made announcements about it, so people don't know. They've been buying these brands for years, and don't want to bother finding new brands or products. Additionally, there are people who know Estee Lauder has moved into China and is doing animal testing, but they don't know MAC, Smashbox, Origins, Clinique, etc. are owned by EL. FYI, I believe Japan also requires it, so I avoid Japanese brands as well.
I try not to buy any items labelled "made in China" if I'm going to consume them. The Chinese gov't has no problem poisoning it's own people, I don't see that they would care about poisoning anyone else. (This was a recent difficulty when I wanted apple juice. Reading food labels is important, not only for the nutritional content and ingredients, but for the origin of the food. You might be surprised where it's coming from!)
I have been shopping for paraben-free cosmetics for awhile. I recently found out that the lip balm I have been using for two years has parabens in it, though they are not even listed in the ingredients on the label! (It's been confirmed by the company that they put parabens in, but thought the ingredient list was "too long" to list them.)
I also just checked the labels of the brands I use and they are all made in the USA. (Except Lush, which is made in Canada and the UK.)
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Funny that a country (Japan or China) that is SO demanding that it`s make-up be tested on animals would have BAD products to consume!! Doesn`t make sense, but I haven`t forgotten the pet food scandal!! And why do they need the products re-tested when they are being used successfully already in North America!!! Doi!
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It's not even just pet products. There was the scandal of baby formula (made and distributed within China) that contained melamine, the same substance that was poisoning pets in the US, which was poisoning and killing babies there. There was also a toothpaste recall in the US, toothpaste made in China was found to have toxic ingredients.
(A lot of toothpaste is made in China now.)
I don't understand the animal testing requirement there, either. They test this stuff, see it's harmful, and someone puts it in products anyway because it's cheap. It's stupid.0 -
Well that was one of my questions in my last post. They do nothing to protect their own people, why require our companies to do something that is abborhent to Americans if known. Has to come down to money. They can invade our markets with stuff that kills. Only stopped when the dying starts. AND our producers just acquiese to China's requirement for testing. Get real China, have you got your frigging head in a hole. So, this thread is read by allot of people. They may not post. Piss off the women of America ---you will loose big time. This is going to get Hot--damn--- trouble is a brewing. We need to clarify who's doing testing b/c of the China thing and then raise the bitching. BUT we need to be careful too. Be sure we aren't being used. To often been asked to take the banner and turn around and there's no one back there. That's when I learned not to go to meetings, too many say something then aren't willing to do battle. this is a balliwick.
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SAS, how does it come down to money???? Who`s making the money???
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Sas, cosmetic companies that test on animals, including the big three that recently moved into China, are well-documented around the internet.
I'm not a fan of PETA, but their cruelty-free guide is fairly accurate and kept up-to-date. If any cosmetic company was going to go after anyone for false information, it would be PETA and the dozens of online beauty blogs, many of which also documented the move into China. Those sites will impact their business far more than anything here will. Note that the PETA list documents cruelty-free status only, it does not evaluate for use of potentially harmful ingredients.
I also read the Environmental Working Group website, there is tons health information there.
I "vote with my wallet" every day when deciding what to buy. (As I do with "pink" products.) Reading labels doesn't take very long. (And eventually you build up a knowledge of what to buy vs. what to avoid.)
I'm sorry I don't have the time to create and maintain the thread you mentioned, but the information is there for people who care enough to look it up, and pretty easy to find if you know where to look.
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Cotton, I understand about the thread, i've done a few, some need maintaing some don't. have an Idea, but first to adresss barbrie's question b/c it's all tied in.
Barbie---how does it come down to money?--China requires our companies to test. This goes against American principles. But b/c the preceived vast amount of dollars to be made in China by the American companies, the companies are willing to risk that Americans won't notice and or don't react. If Americans react by threatening to purchace elsewhere, and follow through that will hurt the American producers of products. Hurt the producers of products supplied to the Companies, that reduces revenue coming in to the producers. Reduce revenue, cuts would need to be made by the producers. Where are cuts made in a producers company when the bottom line is threatened to moved into the RED? Labor. Jobs are cut.
So, If that premise is accepted as being true. China by requiring American Cosmetic Companies to test, are setting up the companies for failure, if the American people react by not buying their products in protest. Ultimately, if we protest, it is Americans that will loose. Unless the protest occurs loudly and rapidly "from sea to shining sea". We have the mechanisms to make this occur. The internet, fb, twitter.
Back to cotton, the idea was to put together a statement that identifies the problem and companies involved, then put it out on the social networks. With a request that the companies STOP now. If the statement is effective and Americans move rapidly to inform the companies involved by using our buying power as the leverage. Then we can make a change that will stop the animal testing, yet will do the least damage to the American companies. This ultimately, done right then won't hurt the American worker by job loss.
Much written right here in this post could be sent. It would have to be edited to add links to sites like PETA'S page that cotton mentioned and names removed.
Could China be as calculating as to attempt to ruin our market? Is China trying to introduce cosmetics to the USA markets? Is this China's way of udermining the American cosmetics industry to facilitate their entry here? Could this be done out of Chinese stupidity of underestmating the American response to such abborhent practices?
Hmmm heavy stuff-sassy
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http://www.mediapeta.com/peta/PDF/companiesdotest.pdf
Here is a list of companies that DO animal testing. Thank God Bert's Bees is not on that list! That is the only product I wear!
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http://www.burtsbees.com/c/commitment/ FYI in case you are not familiar with BB stuff, they have everything!
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I like them too, but Burts Bees does have titanium dioxide and silica in some of their products. Just an FYI to check their labels, too. :-)
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Wonderful women, I see this as a two prong approach. Stop animal testing b/c China demands it. Secondly then go after American companies for inclusion of carcinogenic additives. One step at at a time. Lets do China first. They are the easiest to stop. May sound nieve, but if we put out the right statement on the networks. Women will respond.
What we need to Know is whether China is attempting to introduce cosmetics to this country?---Big thing to know b/c it explains why they are requiring testing of American company products...What agency of commerce would know this?----huge answer needed. We need to know the agency that would allow them in.
Previously, I said Free Trade----wrong that was NfTA---that's between the America's in this hemisphere. I should have said Trade agreements between our trading partners. China is huge and is actually admonishing us for not getting it right. Well if we could prove what I'm saying-------are they prepared to enter this country with cosmetics--I believe they want to submerge our own industries. Can I see something these big American companies haven't deciphered? Money blurs eyes to the obvious. Or our American companies ready to sell us out---entry and production?----that is even huger
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Shells et all, THANKS huge list---as we talk remember to let us again now of the list you have found--important -lots of short memeories here. Blues are on. Ahhhh .We need to consolidate thought. hmmmmmmmmm.
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I don't know if they're introducing their own line, but I just looked at some lipstick I hadn't yet opened and it is made in China.
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Hi folks--off a few days just like ya'll. So hard to do revolutions when ya just want to do it at your own speed. LOL. But We'll get there. What may happen is lurkers of the Woodward/ Bernstein type looking for stories. Read our stuff and start digging. We give them enough material and off they go.
Mini-- ahh So is china doing animal testing? Is it required by the USA to gain entry as a safe product? Does China require of it's own producers the same type of testing?----Don't trust China.
There is ssooooo much we don't know about commerce. I still think there is skullduggery involved. China hurts our own companies which allows China to move in. Which then hurts our companies and producers which ultimately hurts our labor force. What is the word or concept that means a closed market_____________? Duh could be closed market economy. I just have this thought that China is trying to damage us again in another way. Piss off the Americans b/c of this animal testing. Then move in and people won't notice. Just as Mini said the makeup she bought is from China.
So, may be we just keep writing the questions and the Woodward and Bernsteins pick up the trail. Hey, if I were a younger looking for a storey, in many cases it's the questions that lead to the storey. But a storey drawn on too long can do irreparable harm.
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somehow i lost this thread...dont know how but i read 3 pages....
just want to say a few words.Avon is really good but they too will not take out thier parabins.
utterly smooth is recomended by RO after the rads.i have a bottle that says no parabins and one bottle that says parabins.well thats a bunch of crap.
another thing.today i posted on fb.this It saddens me that so many of my friends and family work so hard for organizations that have lost sight of the ultimate goal to end breast cancer.Every single person is aware...find a damn cure.
most of these family members and friends are mammo techs and they have to do it for their jobs but they dont know shit about any of this.my neice ran for komen grrrrrrrrrrrr and my friend ran for ACS.grrrrrrrrrrrr again..
fb is still full of pink shit advertisements....I see less in the stores.
end of rant.
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Granny--------you are GREAT WOMAN------- your words are never a rant---they are tell it like it is words. If the world was filled with women like you at the upper echelons of power we would have no troubles.
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Shells--just went through the list again------what does it mean at page 13-14 "working for regulatory change"?
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I've gotten so I just put olive oil (plain not EVOO) or grapeseed on on my very dry skin. Even if you find paraben free stuff it has about a zillion other ingredients in it and you have absolutely no idea what it is.
I agree with Sas, Granny. Rant on!
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Well Im goin to the gyn today....i sure hope i dont have to look at any pink shit.
ya know i check everyperson out when im outdoors....lurkin like the scorpion that i am...and then i usually say something....Today im not in a fighting mood.im tired...PLEASE GOD dont let me see any pinkshit!!!!!
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FINALLLY! An article that asks exactly what I've been saying about all the pink football crap that is going on in October. Your stance on Planned Parenthood aside, this article makes many of the points that we have been making here.
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Mini great article---What allot of people don't understand is the full spectrum of womens health care that Planned parenthood supplies to women who haven't got the means to get healthcare elsewhere. The women here likely do because they keep themselves informed. I like the way Engel states the whole problem. PP does not just supply abortions. I did read a stat somewhere , but forget, it's a portion of what they do, and I may or may not agree with it, but if I have no acess for mammo's , paps, birth control , women's health education, education on how to avoid unplanned pregnancy and others want to shut it down without any alternative. Sanger was ahead of her time when she started PP and she still is.
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I am loving this thread and agree with the pink marketing train knowing alot of those profits arent going anywhere near an org for the cure! I have two sons, one who plays college baseball and a 10 year old in little league. The teams sported pink for the month but even my 10 year old didn't want to wear the pink... He is watching me sick and going bald and even though I stay very positive and focus on the good days even he realizes on some level pink has nothing to do with the reality of the disease flourishing with little cure talk amongst the awareness! I highly recommend Kris Carr's crazy sexy cancer tips book- it is very real and uplifting for us in the midst of this battle. And stage 1 is no less scary than my stage IIIC! It ALL sucks!
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When I went to the GYN there was not one sign,person in pink or any mention of bc and the pink crap...The office was crowded and i was real glad..
Its gonna fade away.....it is already..Here is hoping that by next focktober this pinkwashing will be a thing of the past...And we helped it along...one sista at a time.
Nice goin.xoxoxo
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Please, if anyone hasn't heard of the Frankenstorm that is going to hit the northeast corridor, watch your weather. This is going to be very serious. Alert any that you think may not know. If you are in a flood zone area prepare to evacuate asap. at the direction of your Emergency Management Commanders. You may want to get out of area even if you are not told to evacuate, if so do it soon. You don't want to be trapped on highways the way people were with Katrina b/c they waited too long. Storm at latest viewing is to affect as far west as Ohio, but the brunt will be more coastal and into New Jersey
If evacuating take enough canned food that doesn't need to be cooked and can be eaten from a can. Utensils and CAN OPENER. Water for at least three days. Boots , winter clothing, Underwear for 1-2 weeks and clothing for a week, blankets, important papers, important pictures. Can use laudry baskets to pack stuff into--easy to carry and stack in vehicle, easy to retrieve stuff b/c it's visible through the sides. Take toilet paper. Flashlights and batteries. Tap lights. Garbage bags, Cash and credit cards, insurance info for vehichle and house. Cell phones and chargers. Phone and address book. Notify someone you are evacuating and where you intend to go. Count the kids and animals at every stop.
There likely is allot of activity with cleaning out grocery/hardware stores already for those that are going to "ride" it out. But if you are evacuating pack what you can and get moving, the farther from the storm path the easier it will be to buy stuff.
A piece of property isn't worth your life. This storm is being compared to the Perfect Storm of 1991.
Anyone interested on thoughts re Storm for those riding it out. I've put done some suggestions in a response to granny on Bonfires. Rather than figuring out where I posted what I'm just going to keep adding to that if more thoughts come.--Sorry, used to do disaster stuff---being OCD as usual
bonfires link
http://community.breastcancer.org/topic_post?forum_id=7&id=763848&page=120
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My cancer center thought it would be good idea to have a display of rather large bras (I could fit my entire head in most of them) decorated in various states of garishness by a local quilt group. I literally stopped in my tracks when I saw it. I don't know if they are doing some type of auction or what, but it was beyond tasteless, imho.
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Minni------ ask them to do scrotal supports next, problem is they won't "get it".
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lol. Really Sas, I totally agree. I never saw anyone in a shirt that said SAVE THE NADS when my husband had testicular cancer or decorated jock straps hanging in the center. I just thought it was utterly ridiculous. Or maybe I should say udderly instead. OK, bad pun. It's early, what can I say? I just wish they would quit trying to pretty up such an ugly disease.
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