Treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally
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Just looked at MSM and I was taking it for awhile when I had a frozen shoulder. My husband take a joint compound that has it with glucosamine/chondroitin. He is going to start wondering why his pills are disappearing faster! LOL!
A side note about glucosamine+++ products and omegas, for those of you with joint pain. I had a Doberman, the love of my life (don't tell my husband........oppps he KNEW, someone once told him "you will be in the dog house" for doing something and my husband replied " in OUR house the dog house is better than the husband house, she treats the dog better than me" This was all in jest, he adored that dog too!
Anyway, this dobie got omegas for his coat and he had a stiff shoulder from dislocating it as a puppy so I gave him a joint support formula. I gave him his pills. and my husband walked him in the am. If I ran out of EITHER pill, 3 days later my husband would comment that the dog was limping. So the omegas were supporting his joints as well. To me, it was a total blind study, neither one of them knew. (ok granted a study of one, and a dog no less, but it was so consistent that I got the hint NEVER to run out) So when my husband has joint issues from surgery I had him start on both. And we are not huge supplement people. So when I read about MSM,(thank you piper!) I am going back to the joint formula. I feel like it is one of those that have no huge side effects/ harm, so why not give it a go.
On the topic of no huge downside, I haven't seen anyone post about salt baths (may have missed it!) This is one of my no harm/no foul things. My son is on the autism spectrum, and I never went in big for some of the crazy therapies that others chose. Party because my son is on the "high functioning" end of the spectrum and I never saw him as that "broken" and in need of fixing, he needs help. ANYWAY one of the things that is very popular in autism circles is Epsom salt baths, also mineral and mud baths. The theory behind salt bath is that it draws out toxins, get in bath warm w salt wait until water cools to get out 15-20 minutes. I do them for my son all the time, using Dr Teals scented salts. More $$$ than plain Epsom salts. But he smells good when he gets out, important for a 12 year old boy! Now I don't know how it would exactly help breast cancer other than removing toxins, but I think taking the time to have a nice soak in the tub would help my spirit (I give him baths all the time, as a mom I do the ten minute shower!) So I am going to start treating myself.
Sorry post is so long, but THANK YOU to all the ladies who have posted on here. I am learning a lot about how to be healthier and it is much appreciated!!!
NATkat, I went off topic here if you want me to edit /delete I will!!!
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Hi, When the surgery was performed, the surgeon used the parameters set by Mayo in removing the mass Mayo suggested. It was during the dissection (pathology) of the mass after surgery that it was discovered the tumor had shrunk so drastically. The indicators that Mayo gave to the surgeon showed that the large mass was tumor and cancerous. However, the diagnostics by Mayo was weeks prior to my surgery, as I wanted to prep my body for surgery and recovery, so waited 7 weeks between diagnosis and surgery. Thank you for your kind comments. It worried me to think of handing my life over (the care and treatment decisions) to the medical field, which makes a living off of illness, more so than cures.
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Hi, my list of supplements are long. I have between 3-10 cups of organic green tea daily, daily vitamin, vitamins C,D, cold pressed flaxseed oil (2 tbsp.) on a pumpkin/quinoa waffle with cinnamon on it, Milk Thistle, IP6-Inositol, PectasolC, ax Vibrance Green Drink, CoQ10, PSK (mushroom), Cruciferous supplements with turmeric, Calcium Citrate, and Melatonin at night. Eat Organic, lots of Broccoli, salads, carrot juice with granny smith apple, lots of water with lemon, lots of beets and lots of turmeric... also a smoothie (blueberry/banana) every other day....seems like I am always eating or prepping some food... also have homemade hummus a lot... beet and pumpkin are the best!
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Looks like you're really covering a lot of bases with your supplements and diet, Rachelp! How cool that you were able to have such a drastic impact. What did your surgeon have to say about the change in the tumor?
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Hello, I'm new to all of this recently being diagnosed with ER/PR+ breast cancer. Thanks for this thread. I'm digesting every word. Happy to see that many feel as I do-finding natural remedies instead of.... Tamox/Radiation is recommended for me. Will know more on the 17th. I want to do this naturally. Bless all of you in your search for wellness. xo
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I would also like to thank everyone for the hours of research you have put in.
I too want to avoid AI's. And will continue to research other methods to fight this crappy DX.
Bravo ladies
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i think my period is gone after taking tamox, on my second bottle. does it happen if you block hormone naturally as well? i don't miss my period but i am curious. it's just bit feels very unnatural to me.
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No June, I've been taking DIM and eating flaxseeds for at least a couple of months but still having my period. This last one was on time and fairly light but the 2 before that were 2 weeks apart and heavy. I think this stuff takes awhile.
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Hello to everyone,
Here is my natural approach for my BC ( I had a lumpectomy, 33 rads, 6 months Tamoxifen):
DIM - 2 capsules a day
Calcium D Glucarate - 3 capsules a day
Green Tea Extract decaff - 1 capsule a day
Sulforaphane
Calcium Gluconate ( I do not tolerate Ca carbonate)
Vit. D3 - 2000 UI
Fish oil
and fresh juice (kale, parsley, apple, red beets, lemon, celery, cucumber, carrots)
and looking to add more natural herbal teas to my daily regimen.
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I had
IDC 2cm, Stage Ib, Grade 1, Lumpectomy, 33 rads, Lymph nodes 0/2, Er+PR+/HER-
Onco 6
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Hello
Diagnosed 3 yrs ago and told consultant to put his knife back in his pocket. Using a lot of supps, but............what is MSM???? Haven't heard of that one.
Thanks,
Ladybird-dancer
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Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) is a natural source of "biologically active sulfur" readily available in onions, garlic and cruciferous vegetables and in protein-containing foods, including nuts, seeds, milk and eggs (whites and yolks). Because of its sulfur content it is believed to participate in the hormone metabolic function.
Some people claim MSM works for hair loss together with Biotin and others for treatment of osteoarthritis.
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I've been using MSM also. The sulfur is used by your liver to build glutathione, which is the master antioxidant produced by your body. NAC is good for this as well and both help detox.
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Thank you for this.
I guess just eating foods high in MSM wouldn't be enough to have any/musch/sufficient effect??????
Have heard of Glutathione c/o two resources I have found very useful: the canceractive website run by Chris Woollams and all his publications, together with Patrick Holford's book: Say No to Cancer. He's very keen on Salvestrols - expensive, but I'm taking them along with a whole host of other supps, and a pretty severe diet.
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And how is that going Ladybird? And what diet are you on? I'm doing keto w/o dairy except a little bit of goat whey in my protein shakes. I've not heard of salvestrols so going to look them up now.
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Rachelp- I have been researching and taking almost everything that you are!
I found a few other things that might be of interest:
Bitter Melon, Guanabana fruit, also very similiar to Chirimoya fruit, Turkey Tail Mushroom pills, Reishi Mushroom I read produces estrogen, and is not good for estrogen positive Breast Cancer, but is good for inflamatory Breast Cancer. check Vitamin D and Iodine levels, most cancer survivers are deficient. I've read that flax seed produce estrogen, but also read its helpful, so use your own discretion. Some info seem to contradict each other. Same thing goes for Tumeric, but I still use it.
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Hi Pipers
I have found it
very difficult to change my diet as I thought I had a good varied diet - never
overweight, fairly sporty etc. and above all else, have a good appetite and love
my food. So now I am trying to keep off meat as much as poss - All food
organic, No dairy - except recently I've been told that Goat is not too bad, so
when I feel particularly naughty (probably depressed) I have some toast and
butter!!! No sugar so therefore no fruit except quarter of a pomegranate or
Papaya per day and no alcohol. Now I'm being absolutely wild and and
having a few blue berries now and again
Xylitol is a good
substitute which I have used to make one carrot cake recipe - the first cake
I've had in nearly three years.Start the day with
Juice of half a lemon with hot water and grated ginger root with a slug of Aloe
Vera in it.I have a juice
most days - I have a USA juicer Champion and a UK press. 2 carrots,
Broccoli/Kale, half a med beetroot 3 inches of cucumber, 2 celery sticks, small
bunch of watercress, ginger root, 2 small or 1 large clove of garlic.No smoked food, no
fried or bbq food, no pickles.I'm very bored
with it all, especially as I live alone and cooking for one at the best of
times is a chore!Supps: Multi Vit,
5-Htp, Bio-magnexium,Vit B12 + folate,Vit D3, Vit C, Total Vit E, Mycotaki
mushrooms, Bio Fish Oil, Turneric, CoQ10, Salvestrols, DIM, I-3-C, and
something called Green Magic which has all sorts of goodies in it.I have to admit
that I was on AIs for two and a half years as well as all the above - but
crikey they really messed up my body - have given me Osteoporosis - idiot
consultant said it would be most unlikely.......................Initially for
first year they worked well, but then I tried to come off them and my tumour
has done nothing but grow until December last year when against my intial
terror, I went on Tamoxifen and I am amazed at how I feel so much better on
that - apparently especially good for Lobular carcinoma my NEW fantastic and
experienced consultant says. I'm also on the Banerji protocol of
homeopathy. Should be taking Magnesium baths and castor oil packs.
I've also had some Mistletoe therapy and continue with that.Lots of de-caff
green tea.And this is my
life!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so fed up with it by now, three years on. I
feel as if I'm standing at the side of a motorway just watching the world go by
and going nowhere.Saw a Plastic
surgeon for the first time yesterday who said: "You MUST have this
operation" - without giving any reason. Also he poo pooed all CAM
treatments - no point in saying anything to a person with those views.Not sure what I'm
doing for the future. As long as the tumour gets no bigger and even
better, if it continues to shrink, my allopathic Doc is happy to leave me as I
am.so there you have
it.Ladybird xxxxxxxxx
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oh my I am so pleased to read this as I am soooo bored with the anti cancer diet! I dont get kale in my country only bitter greens, i used to like juices but now have to force myself to drink them and dont make them that often now.......i feel lousy on exemestane, my second AL and i just want to relax around food! My diet was not bad before but now its b o r i n g and I could do a lot more with more energy and appetite for foods my other half re jects
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Ladybird, it is encouraging to see that you're 3 years out and no surgery though. Do you mind sharing your type of BC and staging, if you know that? I know what you mean about bored with diet though--I've only been doing this since xmas and sick of it all already, though at least I don't have any appetite left to speak of either and I can pass by a rack of sweets without batting an eye lol.
Lily, I think you and I have an identical dx though I've not been staged yet.
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Bosum, the problem with fruit juice is that even if there is no sugar added, the juice naturally contains a lot of sugar. When you drink the juice, instead of eating the whole fruit, you get all the sugar in the fruit, but not the fiber. This means that the sugar goes into your bloodstream faster, which is not a good thing. There is no good reason to be drinking fruit juice basically.
As for diet, I am probably not as consistent as you guys, but I do not find it boring. For example, yesterday we had a lunch of: hummus, salad from raw cauliflower and peas with cilantro and lemon dressing, topped with black cumin seeds and chopped almonds, portobello mushrooms topped with parsley and a slice of tomato and baked in the oven, small piece of wholegrain bread.
I have also found a way to make savory pies with wholewheat flour and olive oil, so I make a leek or spinach pie quite often. Other standbys are broccoli and mushrooms sauteed together; steamed fish with beet salad or roasted veggies; Greek-style green beans cooked with tomato, onion, garlic and cubed sweet potato; tomato salad with barley rusks and lots of herbs and onion; lentil salad; bean soup. I do eat meat, although mostly chicken. If I am in a hurry, I go to the local souvlaki place and have a big bowl of steamed, bitter greens with lemon and olive oil and 2-3 skewers of freshly grilled chicken. I tried going off meat completely, and it did not work for me. I need the protein, I think.
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Momine - Yummy! Your description makes me want to eat
Wish I could eat in your neck of the woods.BosumBlues - I have a juicer and juice mainly veggies with a few apples. I don't juice any other fruit - cautious to blood sugar spikes. I try to juice as much as possible - my goal is 64 oz a day but don't always have time - like yesterday, it was a 48 oz day. I usually go through 25 pounds or more of organic carrots a week and many greens. I eat lots of organic veggies, beans, seeds, nuts, and some whole grains such as oatmeal and wheatberries. I eat fruit in moderation.
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I just wanted to add my supplement list per my local and out of state naturopathic:
Turkey Tail - 6 caps per day
Changa and MyCommunity - extracts
Teas - green, Turkey Tail, Milk Thistle, Astraglus, and a few others
Green Tea - 4 caps per day
Ashwagandha - 1 cap per day
CoQ10 - 1 cap per day
Liquid B complex
Liquid calcium magnesium
Liquid vit D
Liquid fish oil
liquid flax oil - salad dressing mainly
Saccharomyces Boulardi
There are other supplements and these included that I take on a rotation basis.
I eat a vegan diet including mushrooms and broccoli sprouts.
I also do hydrotherapy and massage - tried accupuncture but not sure if I'll continue.
I try to dry brush every morning and use caster oil packs.
I've just started more movement like walking and hiking - this has been slow because I was recovering from something all the time.
I feel obsessive some days but am trying to survive this horrible disease.
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Anyone else told that tumeric interacts with Femara?
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BosumBlues - I am a member of a local organic co op. My 25 Ibs of carrots cost $18.99 per week - not too bad in cost but expensive and I hope worth it
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peace strength, that's a lot of carrots...lol...I love carrots, eat them all the time. I live in a rural area, very little organic stuff, but I do buy what I can. I am changing my eating habits, like BBlues, baby steps.
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I agree with baby steps
There are days when I miss pizza and cheese. My healing junkie diet didn't start until August - after chemo.My family laughs about the carrots too - especially since my skin looks like I have a spray tan.
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Peace, all those foods can be made almost anywhere with a decent grocery store.
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BBlues, I have always liked to eat, and especially after cancer, I aim to enjoy. Healthy food can easily taste good.
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BB - pls feel free to ask....we are here to help each other...
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@ peacestrength ....25 lbs of carrots per week ... you might be getting too much Beta-Carotene - Vit A., which can be toxic at some point
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