Treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally
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Onco, that's the 4th recommendation that I've read in as many days so I'm going to get that book.
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Bitter Melon decreased breast cancer cell growth
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When I looked into the Warrior Goddess book the reviews said she highly recommends soy, another controversial item.
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OncoWarrior, I haven't read the book, but I've read a lot on her website: http://www.drchristinehorner.com/archive-articles...
and found I agreed with everything she said. She had a list of recommendations (that I can't find anymore), and it turned out I was doing 90% of them. (I'm in the pro-soy camp, also.)
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has anyone used DMSO topically or internally?
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What is DMSO?
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a solvent in the wood industry. it has" cured cancer, it also, when I researched it at the beginning of this journey here in 2011, it can shrink the brain. it's illegal in the us to use it medically but I think you can buyit online di-metholsulfate something
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Well, that's at least ONE thing I'm crossing off my list
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any of you who's doing all natural while your ER/PR+ for over 90%?
i want to know if it's possible to do so....i am only 41
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I have read this entire thread.......I did conventional therapy along with alternative to fight my triple positive breast cancer. I, like everyone else, would like to know how to fight it and how to cure it. I don't mean to be a downer but, it just seems that we are pulling at strings......there is no cure for cancer and weve been searching for decades now. Just another drug that gives us more time...for the politics of cancer. We can take this and do that.......but, can't rely on anything....my apologizes, just the downside.
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Juneping, I am opting not to do tamoxifen and I was 98% positive ER and PR. I'm almost a year out from my bilateral mastectomy. I'll let you know in 5 years if alternative med worked okay
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klanders are you using things like indole 3 carbinol?
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Has anyone had any experience with Essiac Tea? I've read it's a good cancer fighter so I started using it. I then read in a few places that it's not good for breast tumors so now I'm confused and have quit using it.
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klanders - thank you...that's very encouraging to hear. If the conventional proven not that effective...I personally think alt is the way to go. It started on the third week of me taking taxmo and now I can't get a good night sleep. Vivid dreams and night sweat.....I hate every bit of this. Now I am on leave so I can sleep in but I can't foresee how I am going to handle this down the road.
I think after I go back to work making full income I'll talk to a naturopath.
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Question for the ones that have stopped your hormone treatment. I stopped about 10 days ago (arimidex) and my ONC office has called me 3 times to try and change my mind. My question..... Do you feel pressured to go back on your meds from your Dr?? I'm very interested in what others are going thru as far as from their medical oncologist reactions and do you feel its just because its their job or do they really care?? Thanks in advance for your comments.
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Take a holiday from them then try a different one if you want to....if not there are more natural substances proven to make a difference but no clinical trials of course as not patentable
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Lilly55 I'm thinking about taking DIM, I've read good things about.
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Lilly, the CDG EstroDIM that I take has i3c in it. Kathie, I expected my oncologist to get upset with me when I told her I had quit the tamoxifen but she didn't. She was actually quite supportive when I explained my side effects. The thing is, there are no guarantees either way - some women who are taking tamoxifen have reoccurrences as do women who go natural. I'm at peace with my decision because I feel so much better than when I was on tamoxifen. Before my cancer, surgery, diet changes and supplements I was on blood pressure pills and allergy pills. Now I no longer have to take either. My only problem is that I LOVE dessert and I'm constantly fighting my sugar craving! It's tough being dairy, egg, sugar and gluten free! Those are my favorite foods!
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Hi everyone... I wanted to share my story in the hopes it will give some a glimpse as to other (or additional) choices on treatment. I was diagnosed with breast cancer on 8/27... I saw 3 doctors, including going to the Mayo Clinic. Mayo did many tests, and the final diagnosis was a mass that had been present (missed on my annual mamos) that was 10 cm x 8 cm by 6 cm... I was petrified. It was strongly suggested that I have radiation to shrink the mass and then surgery and chemo. I was 212 lbs at the time of diagnosis, and 6 month later have lost 68 pounds by change of diet. For fear of having my children see me so ill, I began to research, day and night. I chose to have a surgeon (not Mayo) do the surgery, in the least invasive way (no anesthesia, only lidocain) As of the day after diagnosis and staying awake for 20 hours straight reading, I decided also to go the organic/vegan/raw route and to start on supplements, knowing I had to prep my body for surgery. To make a long story short... I had surgery (lumpectomy only, with no nodes removed) even though it was suggested I have a mastectomy and lymph nodes taken. Day after surgery, surgeon calls, clear margins, took out a HUGE part of my boob (more than half is gone) have clear margins and ... tumor shrunk to smaller than a bb in size... whish I had not had surgery, but was too frightened to go without. I take no meds (only supplements) and have great blood work... Please, give a change in diet and supplements some consideration, if only as a supplemental means of treatment... and as a side note, surgery without anesthesia was a pretty easy thing, and no NK cells killed (anesthesia kills NK cells, which we so need!) Healing is still ongoing, as I had a huge hematoma and seroma, and my whole breast was bruised, including my ribs, but I am healthier than I have been in years!
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Wow, rachelp, what an incredible story you have! That is amazing that your tumor shrank so drastically! I'm so happy for your great outcome. I totally agree with you about skipping general anesthesia and opiates to preserve your immune functioning (I wish I'd known that before my surgery). I requested "twilight" anesthesia, but the anesthesiologist dissuaded me from it. Sounds like you had a much more extensive surgery with far less anesthesia. I'm just wondering why the surgeon still took so much tissue if the tumor had become so small?
I would love to know more of the specifics of your diet and supplement use, if you'd like to share. Thanks for telling us your story!
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I don't think I understand, Rachelp. Was the mass the surgeon removed DCIS or ADH or the like, with just a teeny bit of IDC? With all the pre-surgical localization techniques they have nowadays, It just does not seem that he would have wanted to remove that much healthy tissue. At any rate, you win the prize for the biggest and bestest margins! I wish my surgeon had given me the option of local anesthesia. I'd certainly have opted for that. To tell the truth, the idea never occurred to me. Strange, because just a year before, I did do that with another surgery. The nurse, the resident, the fellow, all said it couldn't be done. The surgeon said we'd try. It worked just fine.
Also, congratulation on the minus 68 pounds. What an achievement!
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klanders, I'm with you in the sugar craving department! That is a constant battle with me (I sometimes want dessert after breakfast!)
About DIM, I was taking 100 mg a day, but had vaginal dryness (sorry if tmi) and mild headaches, so I stopped for awhile and both symptoms went away. Since I attribute both things to low estrogen, I'm thinking the DIM was working. So I have just started taking it again, but every other day, and only half a pill, to see if I can avoid the headaches. I have one this morning, though!
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Klanders and Falls, fruit, especially fruit smoothies with my green powder, helped me to get off of the sugar, and the caffeine.
Rachelp, thank you for sharing your story. Unfortunately, even today's mammos can't be trusted to pick up cancer in dense breasts. Agree about the importance of NK cells. I went w/ as little anesthesia as possible for my mx, and for my recon, and went w/o anesthesia for my exchange surgery. From what I understand, NK cells continue to be important, even after the surgery. I take mushrooms, IP6, beta glucans, modified citrus pectin and several others to help keep my immune system strong. what kinds of supplements are you taking? Shrinking breast tumors seemed unheard of, just 2 years ago. I just recently have been hearing some positive stories of success. Would love to hear more.
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Lily55 I wanted to reply to your question about DMSO. I don't know much about this as I'm just learning about it, but as Abigail said, it's a solvent. Sounds bad but many pharmas are worse I'll bet. There is a related substance that is much safer though and it's called MSM and it's basically just a sulfur compound. Now, from my limited knowledge I do know this: you need sulfur just as much as any other vitamin or mineral not much attention is paid to it. It is in many foods, but just like everything else, I'd imagine that you get less of it in your food these days unless you buy or grow organic. I remember when onions used to make me cry a river of tears when I cut them up but I haven't had that happen in a number of years. Either I'm tougher or there is less onion in the onion if you know what i mean. Raw milk has the most sulfur of any food and other minimally processed foods are also good sources.
So, chances are that we need a lot more sulfur than what we're getting. I also found out that w/o enough sulfur in your body, glutathione just doesn't work as well. Mark Hyman has a really good explanation what glutathione is and what it does and what to do to increase your level: Glutathione: the mother of all antioxidants
I found this study which sounds really promising, though it's small and there isn't much else out there: MSM suppresses breast cancer growth I have used it before and I do know that it's good for detoxing--at first I felt really headachey and a little flu-ish and realized that the MSM was causing that. After a few days it passed so start with small doses, esp if coming off a bad diet. If you've been taking care of yourself for awhile, you can probably start bigger. It's safe enough to drink a bucketful w/o ill effects, but you will feel the detox. It can also help with arthritis, grow a thick head of hair, improve the collagen content of your skin, and pull out heavy metals. Oh, and improves blood sugar control.
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Thanks Piper. I definitely agree about MSM, though I did not know that about glutathione. Very interesting.
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Oops, I forgot to add the most important thing about that study I mentioned above. I was equally as effective for all breast cancers, including triple negative ones, and can help her2/neu+ when herceptin stops working.
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wow thank you Piper for your brilliant reply. I knew DMSO was a solvent but it is proven safe for topical application to eradicate toe nail fungus etc....and to break up scar tissue, which I have loads of, but I will investigate MSM i have a collagen defect in that i tend to grow more that is tough,so need to ensure it doesn't make that worse.
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