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Anyone else out there choosing 100% Alternative?

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  • Mardibra
    Mardibra Member Posts: 194
    edited November 2013


    Im with you ladies…I don't understand why we try to circumvent the bodies natural aging process. HRT/Bio identicals is as foreign to me as Viagra. I would never take either one! I also find it interesting that those who lean toward the natural will take HRT/Bio identicals to combat the side effects of the natural menopause process but many would never consider taking Effexor to control the same side effects. That doesn't make sense to me. Why is one better than the other in the minds of some??


    I agree Yorkie, I'm vain too….there, I said it. I don't take unusual steps to combat the aging process I just take care of myself. Although I am getting older, I don't have to look like I am!


    Adding any hormones to the body that uses them to create cancer? No thanks. Not only are we recommended not to, it also makes no sense to me to even consider it. Having cancer sucked…I don't want it back.

  • MmeJ
    MmeJ Member Posts: 22
    edited November 2013


    Mardibra, it's because Effexor is peddled by evil Big Pharma. Doctors are simply their shills, you know.


    I admit that I am vain. Diagnosed at 50 and in phenomenal condition (thank goodness), great figure, looked 15 years younger (even my neck). Now? Two sizes larger everywhere BUT my chest, orthopedic shoes for permanent neuropathy, immediately slammed into irreversible menopause from chemo ...


    There are some traditions (old and newage) that would say I am being punished for my vanity. Those traditions can go eff themselves. Winking Healthy diet, exercise, and gallons and gallons of moisturizers (same as before). Post-chemo, now need a little help from Miss Clairol. That's enough for me.

  • ziggypop
    ziggypop Member Posts: 276
    edited November 2013


    CuCuli - for hot flashes, a natural alternative is Black Cohash, I used it while on Tamoxifin & my onc recommended it - BUT if you get it be sure to get the stuff from Germany as it's regulated there & studies have found that a lot of the supplements & stuff sold here don't have even any of the ingredients that they say they have in them. Anyway, the Cohash worked sortta for me, but I ended up going on effexor which is okay to use if you are ER+. I never used anything when I was in menopause but the hot flashes on the tamoxifin were really intense.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337
    edited November 2013


    I havn't reported on gary null's broadcasts because I've either been away from a computer or because gary spent some time talking about john kennedy, but today he spoke a lot about ellagic cid, that it can make an invasive breast cancer go into remission the food sources of it are: rasberries, cranberries, strawberries, walnuts, & pecans. that it stops carcinogensis & angeogensis. He also spokeaof a study of 100,00 women 2 groups: group 1 had one mamomogram, group 2 six mamograms. group 2 had 22% higher rate of cancer. the groups were followed for five years. He said the use of ellagic acid will do the work of remission in one to three years

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 677
    edited November 2013


    Because of 65 years in the Southern CA sun without sunscreen (no such thing years ago) I am pretty wrinkled and leathery. As someone politely put it "You have that outdoor look" LOL. But I have kept my figure (until recently when I began to grow a spare tire) and it is funny to me that guys coming up on me from behind in cars, on bikes, whatever, will whistle and then as they pass they are turning around and then it hits them: She's an old lady! and they hurry away. I also have natural blond hair which is streaked from the sun and is a combo of ash, golden, light brown and white. If only it was thicker!


    So the hair and figure makes me look young from the back, and they see the face, the turkey neck and the wrinkled arms ---oh well. As one of my sons says "You have a young outlook Mom; that's what counts.."

  • gentianviolet
    gentianviolet Member Posts: 105
    edited November 2013


    Ziggy - Perhaps I am not understanding your explanation, but I did not see that you explained why P+ tumor is considered a better prognosis than a P- tumor. By the way, I am not doing bio-identicals but am just curious. Do you have the answer that my oncologist could not give me? I do understand the difference between hormone positive and hormone negative tumors and the benefits of tamoxifen and aromatase inhibitors.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 1,032
    edited November 2013


    What I like is that we cancer survivors ARE vain! We care about how we look and feel and we work to optimize everything positive in ourselves. Yay vanity! It keeps us alive, beautiful and energetic! Smile


    (abigail, nobody cares what Gary Null says.)

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,170
    edited November 2013


    someone commented on how thick and dark my hair still was. The thick curly part is natural. Dark? Thank you to my wonderful hairdresser! Am I vain? Maybe. I know I feel better when I look good and I intend to be a great looking old lady who feels good.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 1,422
    edited November 2013

    Wow - if we eat lots of strawberries etc our breast cancer will go away - I'm amazed

    gentianviolet - the reason hormone receptive breast cancers have a  better prognosis, is because there are targeted therapies for them ie Tamoxifen, Arimidex and Aromasin. Hormone negative breast cancers can only be treated with chemo. I remember my oncologist being pleased my bc was hormone receptive.

  • planetbananas
    planetbananas Member Posts: 109
    edited November 2013


    it's so strange, my mother had a total hysterectomy 56. Her Dr put her on premarin right in the hospital. She is now in her late 70's almost 80 and refuses to stop taking it even though her doctors have all told her she needs to stop. She says there's no cancer on her side of the family and she doesn't care how long she's on it. The strange thing is is she won't take any other medications and has no concept of the relationship between the hormones and cancer.


    and to top it all off, she's against me reconstructing my nipples! I just added that last part in because its bugging me lol

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 2,845
    edited November 2013


    Planetbananas, That is too funny about your mom, but, seriously, why does she get a say about your nipples? Why does she even need to know?


    Yorkie, I agree, vanity is not such a bad thing after all, as long as it is within reason.


    Strawberries, huh? But mommmeeeeeee, I don't like strawberries (I really don't actually).

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 1,422
    edited November 2013

    I love strawberries but I still got breast cancer

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 1,032
    edited November 2013


    Planet, one thing I've learned through my lifetime as both a daughter and a mother is that moms definitely don't know everything! Happy


    Momine, I agree that vanity shouldn't go to the extreme. At some point it can become pathological, as with people who have one cosmetic surgery after another to correct tiny little, perceived, imperfections in their faces and/or bodies.


    My reconstructed breasts are far from perfect, but I'm letting all that go. If I were 20 years younger I probably would not.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 2,845
    edited November 2013


    Yorkie, sure, but one person's excess may be another person's comfort. I have not fone recon and I probably never will, in large part because I don't think I will like how it looks. On the other hand, I am seriously considering getting the loose skin taken off my stomach. Something that apparently seems a little cwazy to many people :D

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 1,032
    edited November 2013


    Yep, different strokes for different folks!


    I don't hate my recon, but I know it could be better. I've been told insurance would pay for any tweaks, but I just don't want to go under the knife again for something only my DH, who does not care about it, and I see.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337
    edited November 2013


    gary didnt say cure he said remission. I'm sure glad someone reads the studies & reports on them because I don;t momine, my sister does yoga & weight training, lifts weights, does push-ups her middle is totally buffed, ridged with muscle. she's going on 73

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 2,845
    edited November 2013


    Abigail, either way - remission or cure - it can't be achieved by eating berries and walnuts, 'kay?

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337
    edited November 2013


    yaha/ you tried it for a year or 3? blue bird essa uses 3 scoops a day of rasberry seeds. 1st place i heard if essiac acid was here

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 2,845
    edited November 2013


    Abigail, I am already in remission, so the experiment would be pointless.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337
    edited November 2013


    yes good deal. I've been using bee pollen as a male bit looking at my arm hair, has it grown? I think so. am I getting a bit of male pattern baldness? perhaps. does the male stuff turn to estrogen? donno. the lesion still grows, is many times bigger than going on 3 years ago. many many times. the walnuts, (for me ground) can't hurt anyway

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 2,845
    edited November 2013


    Yes, androgens are turned into estrogen by your body. Medications like femara - aromatase inhibitors- block that process.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337
    edited November 2013


    is bee pollen androgen & the old question is natural better than conventional? I'd hate to quit using it: it's very tasty, lots of protein & callories

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,170
    edited November 2013


    The vanity thing is clearly subjective. I draw the line at any daily routine that takes more than five minutes. Hair, 5 minutes, make up, 5 minutes. I can devote more time to major grooming but that's not daily. I love the way I looked at dd's wedding but it was torture to sit and have my makeup professionally done.


    As to berries and I other foods; I wish with all my heart that it was that easy to achieve remission. There are no large scale, long term studies to prove this, none. Anecdotes are a good starting point but just not enough to be conclusive. I can't wait for the day when just food controls bc, until then I'll go with research based tx.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 1,032
    edited November 2013


    Caryn, I just love it when those without bc lecture we who have suffered from it on anecdotal "cures." Walk a mile in my shoes before telling me what to do with my body please.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337
    edited November 2013


    I've not cut my hair since 1967 ( I suppose I won't be believed of that either), to keep it healthy I brush it 99 strokes a day with a natural bristle brush. wash it once a week or every 2 weeks. it's mostly but not all white at this point. the 99 number I got from a chinese wisdom that that will keep joy in your life. don know about that, but I made a vow in '67 when I cut it all off close as I could to my head, & I've kept that vow

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,170
    edited November 2013


    actually, Abigail, I absolutely believe that you haven't cut your hair since '67! That is one of the most believable statements you've made.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337
    edited November 2013


    hairs are antennaes. if the ends are cut you're unable to accumulate or disperse orgone energy, the energy of the universe

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 231
    edited November 2013

    I'm a completely vain girly-girl.  Well, except for the fact that I HATE PINK!  But I love having my make-up done; I love having someone futz with my hair; I love-love-LOVE shoes (if it's under a 3" heel, I don't wear it, I love standing tall at 5' 11" with my heels on!), clothes, jewellery.  I'm a natural blond, but love being a redhead (although I do go back to blond every summer), I never leave the house without lipstick on, I wear perfume to go on a bike hike, I love hats and gloves ...  Vain?  Who.... ME?

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Member Posts: 1,017
    edited November 2013


    this is almost as much fun as a comic stripLoopy


    eta - oops, selenawolf, we posted at the same time, I ABSOLUTELY wasn't referring to your post -


    LOVE your posts, as you know from my earlier PM to you....Blessed Be

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 231
    edited November 2013

    O.M.G. 

    Just read the posts I missed.

    Oh dear.

    Well.... with my pixie cut, I definitely don't have antennae.