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  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 756
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    Yes, I know this is not an article from a research journal. It does, however, detail and discuss at length, significant Vitamin K2 research in an easy to understand format, with citations from the Peer reviewed research included.

    ENJOY!

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    Vitamin K Reverses Arterial Stiffness

    November 2017

    By William Faloon

    William FaloonWilliam Faloon

    Healthy arteries expand and contract smoothly with each heartbeat.

    With age, soft tissues such as arteries stiffen and lose youthful flexibility.

    The phrase "hardening of the arteries" describes loss of arterial elasticity and obstructed blood flow. This "hardening" is an important predictor of heart attack and stroke.1-3

    In severe cases, the aortic artery becomes so stiff and brittle that it cannot be repaired.

    This is how actress Lucille Ball died. She suffered a dissecting aortic aneurysm that surgeons spent many hours repairing. They replaced her aortic valve and five inches of her upper aortic artery. It was too risky to attempt to replace her entire aortic artery. One week later Lucy died from a second rupture in her lower (abdominal) aorta.4

    Lucy, with her incredible fame and fortune, perished from the structural failure of the largest artery (the aorta) in her body.

    Arterial stiffness is associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disorders, dementia, and death.5-11 When the aorta stiffens, it elevates blood pressure as the heart must pump harder to force blood through the body.

    Factors that contribute to arterial stiffness include inflammation, glycation, hypertension, and poor glucose control.12-15

    WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW

    Arterial calcification is the build up of calcium inside the artery walls and is one of the major risk factors for cardiovascular injury or death. The root cause of arterial calcification has been poorly disseminated to the medical establishment and the general public. Vitamin K and its forms specifically work on mechanisms that prevent calcium build up inside the arteries (soft tissues) so that calcium can bind to bone (hard tissues). Multiple studies have confirmed vitamin K's cardiovascular benefits. Results from a recent clinical trial of 244 postmenopausal women supplementing with vitamin K2 or a placebo showed that after 3 years those in the K2 group had significantly decreased risk of cardiovascular death, with the placebo group having increased risk of cardiovascular death compared to the beginning of the trial. Multiple studies have also shown that by bringing calcium into our bones, vitamin K supplementation prevents osteoporosis. Vitamin K serves an imperative role in the body. Learn more about the details of vitamin K and its importance in this article.

    A less understood cause of arterial stiffening is calcification.16

    In 1999, we published a report on the importance of consuming high-dose vitamin K to block calcium infiltration into our soft tissues.17

    Over the years we received many calls asking if higher dose vitamin K2 could reverse vascular calcification. Until recently, we did not know the answer.

    In 2007, an animal study demonstrated significant reduction of arterial calcification in response to vitamin K supplementation.18 While intriguing, we did not know if this would work in people.

    A landmark clinical trial using a long-acting form of vitamin K2 has demonstrated significant reductions of arterial stiffening in humans.19

    This provides us all with an opportunity to restore more youthful flexibility to aging blood vessels and other soft tissues.

    Modern medicine combined with healthier lifestyles has enabled maturing people to postpone the time when they suffer vascular-related disorders.

    Protection against coronary artery occlusion can be achieved in mid-life via control of lipids, glucose, and pro-inflammatory factors.20-24

    As people age past 65 years, however, the cumulative buildup of soft-tissue calcification sharply elevates incidence of stroke, heart failure and aortic valve stenosis.1,2,25-28

    Heart Valve Disorders

    Lucille Ball

    Lucille Ball

    Each year more than five million Americans are diagnosed with heart valve disorders.29

    Without treatment, about 50% of those with symptomatic aortic stenosis will die within two years.30

    While drugs known as ACE inhibitors (angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors) may slow progression of early-stage aortic valve stenosis, surgical interventions are the only way to treat advanced aortic stenosis.31,32

    People with surgically-replaced aortic valves often require lifelong anticoagulant drugs to reduce ischemic stroke risk.33

    A more rational approach to reduce the epidemic of vascular disorders facing the elderly is to block soft-tissue calcification starting earlier in life. This is readily accomplished with low-cost vitamin K2 supplements.

    While it's never too late to impede soft-tissue calcification, the dilemma facing aging humans is how to reverse arterial stiffness that occurred before the importance of taking vitamin K was recognized.

    AORTIC VALVE CALCIFICATION AND AORTIC STENOSIS
    Aortic Valve Calcification and Aortic Stenosis

    A healthy aortic valve opens and closes normally. However, calcification of the aortic valve, also called aortic sclerosis, frequently occurs with advancing age. In the United States, this age-related calcification of the aortic valve is the number one cause of aortic stenosis, which is a narrowing of the valvular outflow tract. Over time, the heart muscle weakens as a result of aortic stenosis, and can progress to heart failure.

    Preventable Causes of Aortic Valve Calcification and Aortic Stenosis

    Aging is considered a risk factor for aortic valve calcification and aortic stenosis. Congenital defects and infections can also severely damage the aortic valve.31,32,34

    A large case-control study showed that the calcific degeneration observed in severe aortic stenosis is increased by these unhealthy factors:35

    Hypertension117%
    History of smoking72%
    Cholesterol (>200 mg/dL)111%
    Obesity103%

    Gaining control over these risk factors for aortic valve stenosis can enable aging people to dramatically reduce their overall mortality risk.

    Measuring Arterial Health

    Calcification inflicts severe injury to arteries and heart valves.36-38 The pictures on this page show deformed calcified aortic valves.

    Observational studies show lower prevalence of coronary disease and arterial calcification in those with higher intake of vitamin K2.39-42

    The "gold standard" for measuring regional arterial stiffness is the "carotid-femoral pulse wave velocity" test.43,44

    People who score poorly on this test have higher rates of cardio-vascular diseases.

    Reversing Arterial Stiffness

    A clinical trial was designed using carotid-femoral pulse wave velocity as one of the tests to evaluate the effects of supplementing with 180 mcg a day of a long-acting form of vitamin K2 (MK-7).19

    This randomized, placebo-controlled study was comprised of 244 postmenopausal women aged 55-65 years. Baseline tests of arterial stiffness were performed and the tests repeated yearly for three years.

    At the end of three years, otherwise healthy postmenopausal women in the vitamin K2 group experienced a statistically significant 5.8% reduction in the stiffness index beta, a parameter for arterial stiffness, and a 3.6% reduction in carotid-femoral pulse wave velocity. The placebo group had a slight increase of 1.3% in the stiffness index and a 0.22% increase in carotid-femoral pulse wave velocity.19

    The benefit was conferred upon the women with a higher baseline index of arterial stiffness in comparison with those women with lower baseline levels of arterial stiffness. This suggests that those postmenopausal women with more advanced atherosclerosis derive more benefit with vitamin K2.

    This is the first long-term human trial showing improvements in measures of arterial stiffness in response to long-acting vitamin K2. While the 5.8% and 3.6% improvements might not appear substantial, when realizing that calcification often worsens with age, the fact that there was a reversal in arterial stiffness compared to placebo is quite remarkable.

    This study helps support population-based studies associating higher intake of vitamin K2 with reduced cardiovascular incidence and mortality.39,42,45

    Importance of Calcium Balance

    Importance of Calcium Balance

    Calcium is essential to sustain life.

    Without sufficient calcium, we would not be able to maintain the electrolyte balance needed for proper rhythmic heart beats.46 If one were to deplete their bloodstream of calcium, they would die from a heart attack caused by an acute arrhythmic disorder.47

    In a healthy body, 99% of calcium is stored in bone where it provides structural support.48 The amount of calcium allowed into the bloodstream is tightly controlled.49

    In our bones, vitamin K2 activates proteins that beneficially bind calcium to bone.50 Human populations with high dietary intake of vitamin K2 have lower rates of osteoporosis.51-56

    How K2 Prevents Vascular Calcification

    Calcification of coronary artery.

    Calcification of
    coronary artery.

    Vitamin K activates your body's ability to store calcium in the bone (where it belongs) and blocks it from infiltrating soft tissues.42,45,56

    To visualize how vitamin K2 protects against calcification, just imagine a protein lining your vascular system that allows calcium in or out. The factor that regulates whether this protein is turned "on"—meaning it blocks calcium infiltration—is vitamin K2.

    Vitamin K2 activates matrix GLA proteins in soft tissues to keep calcium out.40,42 On the flip side, K2 activates calcium-binding proteins in bone to maintain skeletal density.50

    In the absence of vitamin K, bony structures form in soft tissues. Early pathologists discovered that arteries that are soft and pliable in youth often turned to stone in the elderly.57

    Modern findings demonstrate the power of vitamin K, or lack thereof, to control whether we maintain strong bone density and soft pliable tissues, or develop osteoporosis together with vascular calcification.

    The take home lesson as it relates to healthy blood flow is:
    Matrix GLA Protein + Vitamin K2 = Barrier against calcium infiltration
    Matrix GLA Protein – Vitamin K2 = Vascular/soft tissue calcification

    Where We Stand Today

    Most adults probably suffer some degree of calcification, as intake of vitamin K2 in Western societies remains at low levels.

    A study published in 2007 tested vitamin K1 and the MK-4 form of vitamin K2 on rats.18

    In the groups receiving high-dose vitamin K1 or K2 (MK-4), not only was there no further arterial calcium accumulation, there was a 37% reduction of previously accumulated arterial calcification after six weeks. After 12 weeks, there was a 53% reduction in accumulated arterial calcium deposits.

    The groups receiving the high-dose vitamin K1 and K2 also showed a reversal in carotid artery stiffness. This study provided intriguing evidence that vascular calcification may be reversible by high vitamin K intake.18

    When we reported on this study, we postulated that people taking vitamin K supplements over an extended time period "might" induce a regression of arterial calcification. We emphasized, however, that "more human research is needed to establish this."

    That human research has now demonstrated (for the first time) a significant improvement in arterial health in postmenopausal women with higher arterial stiffness who supplement with a modest dose of vitamin K2.19

    This study also demonstrated a favorable 50% decrease in a marker of a calcium-blocking protein in the K2 supplemented group compared to placebo.19 Previous studies show that people with higher levels of this circulatory marker (uncarboxylated matrix GLA protein) have elevated rates of chronic kidney disease and heart failure.58-60

    For those who like technical details, vitamin K2 is essential for the enzyme that "carboxylates" the matrix GLA protein. When matrix GLA is "carboxylated," it shields arteries from calcium infiltration. Uncarboxylated matrix GLA, on the other hand, facilitates vascular calcification.58-60

    In the new human study described in this article, a modest dose of vitamin K2 reduced uncarboxylated matrix GLA by 50%, which is an indicator of improved cardiovascular health.19

    What are Ideal Vitamin K Supplements?

    Vitamin K Supplements

    A review of the published scientific literature provides a rationale for aging people to supplement with three different forms of vitamin K. These include vitamin K1, vitamin K2 (MK-4), and vitamin K2 (MK-7).40,45,61

    Since vitamin K is fat-soluble, taking it with the fattiest meal of the day will augment absorption into one's bloodstream.

    Some may ask why not take just the MK-7 form of vitamin K2 since this has long-acting effects in the body and has demonstrated powerful calcium-blocking properties.

    Our response is that vitamin K1 and MK-4 have demonstrated impressive results in other studies, so it is best to take a formula that contains all three forms of vitamin K.

    Interestingly, the MK-4 form of vitamin K2 has been used in very high doses as a prescription drug in Japan to treat osteoporosis.62

    Since vitamin K1 and MK-4 are inexpensive, it makes sense to include them with long-acting MK-7 vitamin K2 to inhibit and possibly reverse as much vascular calcification as possible, while providing support for strong bones.

    Potential to Spare Millions of Lives

    An enormous body of published evidence indicates that common degenerative illnesses striking aging humans may be prevented by taking sufficient potencies of the proper forms of vitamin K.

    Yet most physicians don't understand vitamin K's critical role of blocking calcification of heart valves, arterial linings, and other soft tissues, while keeping calcium in bone where it is needed.

    Eye-opening studies shed light on the importance for people of all ages to optimize their intake of vitamin K to protect against soft tissue calcification.

    An urgent need exists to convey this information to the medical community. This may not happen any time soon because vitamin K is sold as a low-cost dietary supplement and not an expensive prescription drug.

    For longer life,

    For Longer Life

    William Faloon, Co-Founder

    Life Extension Buyers Club

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  • jackster51
    jackster51 Member Posts: 139
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    This is what I ended up ordering.... a combo of K's.....

    https://superiorsourcevitamins.com/product/advance...[product-gallery]/1

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 856
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    Interesting. I have been taking MK-7 but not near enough probably to make any difference. It seems you have to take a LOT to have an impact on your bones. I have OP.

    What products/brands are the rest of you taking?

  • flashlight
    flashlight Member Posts: 311
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    Hi, I take Sports Research brand from Amazon. I am hoping my Vit D level will increase by my next Lab. It is low at 33 now.

    Vitamin K2 + D3 with Coconut Oil ~ 60 Veggie Softgels

    • 5000iu Vitamin D3 from Lichen
    • 100mcg Vitamin K2 from Chickpea
  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 756
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    I am on the 45mg per day dose Osteo K Minis

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  • zogo
    zogo Member Posts: 19,195
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    PLEASE NOTE that if you are on a blood thinner, such as warfarin, vitamin K2 can increase the risk of clotting and should be limited to 45 mcg per day.

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 756
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    Totally true Zogo. Blood Thinners interact with Vitamin K2, so only food sources of K2 in levels recommended by your doctor.

    There is an unfortunate epidemic of Coronary Artery Disease is the West, where people accumulate Calcium in their arteries and on the Coronary valves.

    Remember how we were all told to minimize dietary intake of fat, and to take Calcium supplements? A perfect storm of ruinous, bad medical advice. The low fat diet meant we were cutting out many rich sources of Vitamin K2 from foods, and the Calcium supplements advice meant we were packing the Calcium onto our Coronary Arteries, leading to an elevated Calcium Score and Heart Disease, the Number 1 killer of women.

  • keepthefaith
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    Thanks ladies! I did up my K2 MK-7 by one tablet/day and maybe it's all in my head, but I seem to have less pain in my knee!

    When I was DX'd with OP and OST, I was given instructions to take D3, Calcium w/ Mag and that's it. Thank goodness for the forum:)

    I'll have another DEXA early next yr, so I'll see if it has helped at all.

    I would love more suggestions if you have them~


  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 856
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    Thanks ladies! I did up my K2 MK-7 by one tablet/day and maybe it's all in my head, but I seem to have less pain in my knee!

    When I was DX'd with OP and OST, I was given instructions to take D3, Calcium w/ Mag and that's it. Thank goodness for the forum:)

    I'll have another DEXA early next yr, so I'll see if it has helped at all.

    I would love more suggestions if you have them~


  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 756
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    Glad to hear your knees are better Keepthefaith. I think it helps keep my back strong, and painfree. That plus Curcumin.

    I am on daily Curcumin by Thorne Research, for which I am eternally grateful. A few occasions I ran out of this marvel, and then everything started to hurt. Got really worried till I realized I had been off it a few weeks. Went back on it and a couple days later the pain in my back and knees was thankfully almost completely gone.

  • kcrd4766
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    Ditto for curcumin, and these brands that contain the more absorbable forms is better. For example, forms that are hydro-soluble absorb better. Glad to hear you are doing better with these supplements!

  • goodprognosis
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    Hi Macb04

    I have been following this site and think the info posted here is really helpful. Can I ask you what Curcumin product by Thorne Research you use as I am trying to decide which one to buy and read that one which contains BioPerine helps absorption of curcumin in the body.

    Greatful if you could let me know.

    Thanks, GP

  • zogo
    zogo Member Posts: 19,195
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    Personally, I take Meriva by Thorne. My hubby and I each take 4 per day.

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 756
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    Hey Zogo,

    I am taking 4 of the Thorne Meriva Curcumin per day too.

    GP, wanted to let you know that Thorne is one of several brands of Curcumin using the Meriva "process" which I liken to emulsification, combining the Curcumin with fat molecules such as Sun Flower oil, to increase absorption and thus bioavailability.

    I have read that the Meriva process increases absorption more than just combining curcumin with Biopiperine does. I will look and see if I can find the research detailing this for you.

    Sometimes if I am feeling especially creaky in my joints, I take Thorne's AR-Encap, which is Curcumin plus Boswelia, plus Glucosamine and Chondroitin. And MSM. I also give this formula to my old dog when her joint are painful and she started whimpering. It really helped her, all her crying and whimpering stopped, although she is still limping a bit.

  • goodprognosis
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    Thanks a mil Zogo and Macb04.

    Will save all that info so I can search on line for it. I tried the Thorne site but they will not deliver to Europe, so I'll have to try and find a way around it. I found a German site which may have a similar formula and contents - but I would prefer the one you girls take as you can attest to its helping you personally. I'm not sure I trust all the so called "reviews" on the supplement sites.

    I'll keep on looking though.

    Thanks again, GP

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 756
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    Hi GP,

    Look at Emerson Ecologics, or try some of the other Meriva formulations, like the one by Jarrow.

  • goodprognosis
    goodprognosis Member Posts: 195
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    Thanks Macb04. I will check those oout. Thorne also gave me one or two suggestions when they said they did not ship internationally.

    Will check them out too.

    Many thanks again. GP

  • macb04
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    bump

  • zogo
    zogo Member Posts: 19,195
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    another site to try might be iHerb. They may ship Meriva by Thorne.

  • macb04
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    Good to know about iherb Zogo. Thanks.

  • humblepeace
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    Hello All,

    A question about Vitamin D3 please? I have noticed that they all seem to have Soybean oil as the first ingredient. As ER+ go it was said to avoid soy or soybean. However, many are Vitamin D3 for bone health. Are there brands out there that are not made with soybean oil, or is this not a big issue? Please help my lack of information. Thanks 🙏🏾

  • zogo
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    Yes, I just bought some tonight. Healthy Origins has a cold pressed olive oil base. You can get it on amazon or a Vitacost.

  • ceanna
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    I use Trader Joe's Vitamin D. The 5000IU supplement is in flaxseed oil (not sure the 1000IU capsule is in same base). I could not get my D level up using a soybean based oil, but it did go up after starting the flaxseed base.

  • macb04
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    You could also try Carlson's Vitamin D

    Carlson Super Daily D3 4000 IU per Drop Liquid Vitamin D Dietary Supplement

    The carrier oil is Coconut and Palm oil.


    This one by Bio D Mulsion Forte has good research behind it's ability to rsise Vitamin D levels.


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  • humblepeace
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    Thanks everyone! Great suggestions. I’m turning to Amazon to check prices no that I have options. Thanks again.

    Humblepeace

  • macb04
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    Glad to help Humblepeace!

  • reckless
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    I have been taking 5000 IU D3+ 100 mcg K2 daily ever since I went on anastrozole in June 2018. Unfortunately, my osteopenia progressed to borderline osteoporosis in both femurs during the first 2 years. On Fosamax now. Thought I’d share.

  • lillyishere
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    I have been using this brand and it is very effective. It was recommended by a homeopath. One drop a day can take you from low to high levels. I take a drop every other day to keep the normal levels of vitamin D.

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  • macb04
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    Hi LillyIsHere! I like Pure Encapsulations. They are a good company. I take their Melatonin.

    Do you know the dose that is provided by 1 drop?

    Also, do you take Vitamin K2

  • flashlight
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    My Vit D level did go up to 56 from 33. I Have since Jan. decreased my Vit D to 2500iu and continue with the K2.

    Vitamin K2 + D3 with Coconut Oil ~ Veggie Softgels

    5000iu Vitamin D3 from Lichen

    100mcg Vitamin K2 from Chickpea