Ringworm drug for dogs (Fenbendazole) might also cure cancer
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Nicole
THE LONGEST wait I ever had, which went about 7 days past when I *thought* I would hear a result-- which terrified me-- was ultimately GOOD news. They are VERY hesitant re any possible errors, when reporting any "news." Like, could this one scan be wrong? Do other scans confirm or refute the results that I seem to see here?
I joke that the cancer treatment center in my town, which offers stuff like yoga, drumming circles, and watercolor painting for patients to help address their stress could get rid of all of those classes and simply BE FAST ON RESULTS in order to dramatically lower the stress of every patient! It is so galling to me that the results can be IN, and 2-3-4 people have reviewed them, and yet the patient is still in the dark... Like we are not grownups who are able to hear reality.
I'm hoping things will clarified soon, and you'll get to talk to your MO later today and get your questions answered. The waiting is just horrible. I am glad she emailed you at least. I am hoping hard the news is *better* than she dares to report without more confirmation.
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Snooky really??? you call that chasing someone away...maybe you should look back at how you CHASED ME AWAY and more than a few people had things to say about that...and not only publicly but privately to me. I do feel she was being offensive ..she may "know what she knows" but don't we all??? We are all grown ups here no one is being chased away anywhere asking someone to re read something is clearly not chasing them away. Lets also remember that what applies for Santa does not always apply for people with current METASTASIS.
Thanks Santa for the thoughts about the scan I got my results.
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Nicole, I am sorry you do seem to be very defensive of the idea that some people can eat horribly/ smoke with NO adverse effect that it's all down to the system of the individual..... why is this idea comforting to you? Why is this the news you want to spread to other patients? So people who are currently eating poorly and not metastatic might want to continue to eat poorly as their "system" is some sort of exception?? Believe whatever you want... but I have to reply because I think that is a dangerous assertion to make on a site that is trying to help people get healthier. It's false information. There is a ton of data on large groups of people that prove the VERY OPPOSITE.
The absolutely healthiest anti-cancer diet, according to Dr Block, and AS PROVED by things like the Nurse's study which involves thousands of people tracked over time: less than 20% fat, whole/unprocessed foods, produce, legumes, seed and nuts... with small amounts of animal protein favoring deep sea fish and occasional omega 3 eggs. That is, a balanced caveman diet, without any frankenfoods, and scant animal foods.
Of course bad eaters without cancer DO exist (though they can always suffer ill effects tomorrow or next year...) but they do not disprove the general rule. That is all. When you say things that imply that dietary rules do not apply to all people, I object because the data on health habits are VERY clear. I agree Keto is not for everyone. But you can get plenty of carbs without any junky foods. And of course super healthy eaters can live underneath high poower lines, or have been molested as children (cortisol) or have a genetic mutation or a ton of heavy metals, or roundup, or have some sort of other cancer-causing experience. But that is NOT proof that their eating was a problem.
I had a regional met - a tumor of 3 cm tumor in axillary node - when I was diagnosed. 3C by current rubric. I did not have a horrid diet but I did eat too many non-complex carbs, for sure, and I regularly drank alcohol. I was 30 lbs heavier on that diet. So I have felt the effects of reducing systemic inflammation and eating clean.
Saulius, I know inflammation *can* be good inflammation: it's how I found my lump to begin with.... a red spot, chills, and a fever that seemed like mastitis... but I was 20 years past breastfeeding.... Well, I was having an inflammatory response to the cancer, when it burst the duct and became invasive. My body was trying to fight it. But: systemic inflammation is NOT good. You do not live here in the USA where morbid obesity is commonplace and 30%+ are diabetic. This is the result of very bad diets in this country. I lived in France in my 20s and was amazed how differently the french ate. Virtually zero chips, snacks, candy.... Little kids in pre-K having braised endives and cod for lunch at school.... blew my mind.
The health habits I now follow have helped me enormously. They are scientifically validated. And they will hurt no one.
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Santa seriously??? of the idea that some people can eat horribly/ smoke with NO adverse effect that it's all down to the system of the individual..... why is this idea comforting to you? Why is this the news you want to spread to other patients? So people who are currently eating poorly and not metastatic might want to continue to eat poorly as their "system" is some sort of exception?
Are you seriously saying that A. I find eating like crap comforting and that I want people to eat poorly?? You only see what you want to see then and to be honest please don't message me or write to me on here if that is what you are going to say about me. I have no desire to associate with someone who would say that about me. I have many many friends on here people that I talk with outside of this site and correspond with obviously that is because they like me and feel that I am a positive force to them not that I am trying to harm them and I have NEVER told anyone to eat and smoke like you are saying. Please do not reply I have nothing else to say to you.
Its no wonder now why I have had friends from the Stage 3 forum message me about you saying that you are bully over there!! WOW.
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Nicole I do not think you are TRYING to harm anyone -- but you like to go your own direction regarding scientific data and you sometimes post things that can be totally misinterpreted.
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PS I am rarely if ever in stage 3 forum....
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Grow up and stop..STop trying to change what you said to me it's all there in black ink. I already got 3 private messages with people thanking me for my post you and you have gone in the Stage 3 forum frequently and you have gotten reported about your comments and behavior as well and if you havent been in there as of late its because you keep going in the stage 4 where you do not belong!!!! You even deleted comments in the Jane thread. So JUST STOP..
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Last, we both know who seeks whose info/advice via PM, and how many Qs you have asked in your COC thread which I have kindly PMd the answer to you .... and then you don't share it with the thread... Good info that would benefit others reading your thread, but I am not allowed to post in that thread-- and you don't pass it on. Like getting things covered by insurance, or how to increase H2O2 on Vitamin C IV day.
I care about YOU. I want you to succeed on your COC protocol, and beat down the cancer, and heal. I care that you succeed. I care that everyone on this site succeeds!!! Thats why I bother to post what I know to be scientifically validated in response to comments that do not hold water.
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I apologize for accidentally commenting in COC thinking I was in FenBen. Virtually all the same people. I just went to stage 3 forum to see the # of threads I had posted in. In the whole forum, I could find 4 threads I had ever even clicked on.
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You volunteered information to me YOU pm'd me based on something you read me talking about in a thread you are not even suppose to be in...did I ask back questions based on things you offered and pm'd me about yes...of course..I did. What.,,,was I suppose to just say "don't message me "...??? How rude would that have been. I took the info you offered and have been researching it...I didn't post it because I haven't even finished researching it. I did PM you one time asking something specific yes I did a while ago I tried to give you a chance because all you do is preach Dr. Block This Antioxidant that..."...so don't make up lies about me.
I did PM you OCTOBER 23rd..asking if you new a good immune system supplement actually asking if you had info about the one I wanted to take because I had never taken one and was torn bc my cryoblation was in a few days...
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Please identify one single lie.
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Why is this the news you want to spread to other patients? So people who are currently eating poorly and not metastatic might want to continue to eat poorly as their "system" is some sort of exception?
There is the lie... and saying that I SEEK your info/advice...like as if I am messaging you all the time I messaged you OCT 23 to ask about an immune supplement... after that you messaged me. but who really cares?? You honestly tried to make it out like I secretly message you everyday for advice..get over it. Just stop talking to me. Lets be done with this. I had to reply because you made that statement like I am messaging you regularly for advice and info..NOT.
Lastly if you think your info is so good post it here in the ringworm thread for everyone. BTW try the chemo thread...yea..
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This whole argument began when you challenged what I said one page back:
"Last, the pre-conditions of cancer are another thing we must look at. Until everyone has a clean organic produce-heavy diet, an active lifestyle, no smoking, no nitrites and other additives and colors, a safe nurtured childhood (ACEs), clean air and water, and decent preventative care, we will keep producing people who get cancer. Cancer (and the inflammation that incubates it) is very attributable to Coke, Kellogg, C&H, Hamburger Helper, Dominos, and all the middle-aisle-of-market foodstuffs Americans eat.
Gut microbiome is huge so we need to question antibiotics in food supply and for un-needed minor afflictions. Also, having been breastfed is likely to be important if microbiome is important.
My point being it is not just the medical industrial complex we need to question The food industrial complex is causing the problem that medicine is not solving."
your reply:
"Gotta disagree with you Santa..my mom is perfect example she eats cookies and cakes for breakfast lunch and dinner...and smokes a pack a day for over 60 years...Shes gonna be 80 years old in 3 months.....Everyones diet affects everyones body differently..."
Your Mom's case does not disprove what I said-- that is all I keep saying. One person is not scientific data.
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Im done with you....!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND??? STOP DIRECTING YOUR POSTS TO ME.
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Santa, I really think you should back off. I have no dog in this fight in terms of protocol. I'm choosing not to go this route but Nicole is my friend and is choosing to so I support her. You have absolutely zero clue what it's like to be Stage 4 OR have progression. While this is open to all to contribute, I think it should be done respectfully. I have NEVER seen Nicole advocate an unhealthy lifestyle EVER. I'm happy you had a pcr to chemo, had 1800 bucks to drop on Dr. Block and feel yourself to be the great unchallengeable ambassador to bc.org who also until recent changes made yourself comfortable in multiple threads in Stage 4 ONLY when you don't have it. I like most people am open to hearing opinions that differ than mine but nobody wants to listen to someone who adamantly insists their answers are the only correct ones. Also doesn't stress cause inflammation? Any particular reason your pressing Nicole?
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Looks like Pancur C is back in stock on amazon...$5.00 more than what I paid about a month ago...but at least they have it...
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RR, I agree completely that I have zero idea what stage 4 feels like. ZERO. That is the truth. I am very aware of that.
And I do apologize, and have already apologized, for accidentally posting in stage 4. Several times I have gotten confused between COC and this thread since the topics are so similar.... I have deleted my post immediately because I realized, OOPS. Earlier in time I did things like, for example, post a nice message to ABS in her 'support' thread, as she and I had 'conversed' in other threads-- not realizing that if a support thread was in stage 4 forum, support was only intended to come from stage 4 sisters. My mistake, and I apologize.
I think if Nicole reviews our PMs she will see how much I am rooting for her, caring for her to succeed, and trying to help. She has approach me w Qs several times and I have shared any info I have.
I do not want to stress anyone out. Point taken.
Nicole I am sorry for upsetting you. I care for you to thrive and be well. Stress is not good for any of us, so I apologize for causing you stress.
Last, Ive shared info I got from Dr Block is because I KNOW many people can't pay for it. I am sharing what I paid for, in the hopes that others can benefit. I have received dozens of PMs from people asking me Qs about Dr Block info, so I think many people ARE benefitting.
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Very nice post Santa. I also would like to say this is the Christmas season can't we move on? And I also apolize for my part is this fiasco. But Nichole, I'll be honest, you bringing up our past is disconcerning. I deleted the post, tried to explain where my head was and apolized. What more can I do?
Jesus preaches forgiveness and then forget it. We need some of that here. And we do care about you Nichole, it's just sometimes you won't let us.
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Snooky just stop you judged me by saying I was chasing her away...which is exactly the actual thing YOU did to me... all I was doing was reminding you of that...because you made a judgement and you were wrong. No worries like the mods say if you don't like me block me..its just that easy.
Please do not make more false statements about me.. we do care about you Nicole just sometimes you wont let us??? Really ? ok... I have to chuckle at that because I have no idea what you mean. Please just drop this.
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The MOds
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Uh, guys, please, let's all calm down... Maybe I interfered into discussion in an inappropriate way, my apologies for that! I remember sitting in that big university-like auditorium for "wedding courses" with Sandra (everyone who wants to marry in church can go - does not have to but can go to such a course), which actually was one of the best, most attended and funniest courses in my life (really, we were laughing so much as "teachers" made best jokes you can ever hear:), and the priest asked "okay, husband an wife had a fight, who has to go and say sorry first?". It was followed by very instant answer from female attenders "husband!", almost in choir. But the priest then said "oh no, first goes the one who is smarter":) I know this story is probably not the best in this context but it is a) funny and makes us smile, and b) tells us that we can have fights but in the end we should be compassionate and forgive. We are all in one boat.
Santabarbarian, I am a witness of a sad case - my wife. Healthiest foods all her life (her parents have an eco-vegetable farm), almost no alcohol (one wine glass during weekends), no contraception, she is slim (175 cm, 55 kg), not too much stress, nothing, and yet... stage IV de novo. How one would know what went wrong? Mostly I don't like jumping into these "new age religions", i.e. what many people do when they get cancer. They become vegetarian, vegan, yoga-learners-teachers, esoteric, anti-conspiracists (don't even know this word:), flat-earthers, etc. What I really know is that we need a modern "cocktail" or "pill" to cure this disease. There's nothing new here. There were deadly diseases before that now are totally curable or we are made immune against them, or we can live in a chronic setting. Same will be with cancer in 20 years (I hope sooner), and we will not be talking about this, these forums will be shut down, thanks god:)
We all agree that we have to eat healthy but then... what is healthy?:) I find only one choice (which according to our dietologists in Lithuania IS NOT HEALTHY AT ALL) - what our ancestors ate, that is the only logical thing to me. I once saw a program on, I think, discovery channel, about longest living people. There was one village in China, where reaching 100 was almost the norm. Producers asked what did villagers think their "success" was? They answered "one cigar of fresh local tabaco and 150 ml of rice vodka a day". Sure, they were very hard working, moving a lot, were breathing very clean air and drank crystal clear water but... who could argue with them, m:)
Saulius
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Huge protest going on in the streets right now...from my bedroom window I can't make out what they're saying...but if I had to take a wild guess, it would have to be about mr.T.
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Frisky, one good thing about living in NYC is having the ability to open the window and witness many interesting events and entertainment, including a huge protest! Who needs a TV when one can just open the window.
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Goodmorning. Snooky, have you ever used Wheat grass to help detox? If so, do you have any recommendations when the best time is to take that? I bought some and was going to start taking it to try to help get my red blood counts up.
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I have taken barley and wheat grasses. (didn't know that they detoxed, just thought they were healthy!) I've taken spirulina and I also take broken cell chlorella all in an effort to help my immune system. I'm not organized to take anything at a particular time of day. lol I have so many supplements here. One of best that I've read for your immune system is Beta Glutans There were many tests on which manufacturers produced the best one and I can steer you to it BUT since you're already taking turkey tail you probably have the beta glutans covered. I've read that beet root is great up getting red blood cells up. I buy it in bulk at amazon.
If I can think of anything else I'll let you know. Oh, the best easiest detox that I know of is to jucie veggies for three or four days. Have nothing else. It will get your system moving.
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saw this on Lumpie's thread cut/paste:
Baicalein induces apoptosis and autophagy of breast cancer cells via inhibiting PI3K/AKT pathway in vivo and vitro
Baicalein, a widely used Chinese herbal medicine, has shown anticancer effects on many types of human cancer cell lines. However, little is known about the underlying mechanism in human breast cancer cells. In this study, we examined the apoptotic and autophagic pathways activated following baicalein treatment in human breast cancer cells in vitro and in vivo.
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Thanks Snooky. I've been juicing(beet, green apple, carrot, celery, lemon, garlic, and ginger) 3-5 days a week. It does seem to help with the counts. It also helps me get to my goal of 8-10 servings of vegetables a day.
Yes, wheatgrass does help detox. I was reading that people will take 2 servings a day to help detox. It doesn't say though if you need to wait a certain amount of time before taking other meds. I think I'll be safe and just drink it 1 hour before any meds.
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Interesting article Santa. I wish they would list the dosages when they create those articles. I feel there are so many herbs\drugs out there but the real challenge is to make the right guess on what dosage to use to make a difference. I find it frustrating sometimes.
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New breast cancer drugs show rare promise in advanced cases
"It's a guided missile. It's able to bring the chemotherapy directly to the cancer cell," said the study leader, Dr. Ian Krop of the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston.
Results were disclosed at the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium and in the New England Journal of Medicine.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/new-breast-cancer-drugs-show-rare-promise-in-advanced-cases0 -
wow Frisky! That's an amazing discovery. Thanks for sharing
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