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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    A bit sinister, isn't it??

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    Frankly, I doubt he has a concept. Sounds to me like something his preparers for debate pumped into him just in case — and he used it. The last thing he would ever concern himself with is anyone else's healthcare. He's far too busy grifting to waste valuable time on stuff like that for you. Comon' get over yourself people.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    Here's a gal who is over herself and willing to help you three guys. Go AOC.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    Feels just like that to us too.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211
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    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211
  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,573

    IllinoisLady, the meme that speaks to me is the one with Linda Ronstadt. We all know she’s been a massively talented trailblazer for women in rock. Sixty Minutes aired a segment on her in recent years and played a clip of one of their earliest interviews of her from the 1970s after she signed a record deal. In it, she is talking about the record industry and makes the comment, “It’s like they hate women.” Put in to today’s perspective, it is chilling yet perceptive that Ronstadt recognized that men in power, especially back then, could barely contain their distain for women, had no respect for them, even ones who were magnificently gifted, successful and making money for the powerful men. The men simply wrote women off.

    Now Ronstadt is very publicly and meaningfully speaking out against TFG and I am here for it. I hope many will hear the powerful statement she makes and that it influences more voters to cast their ballot for Harris.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,170

    Pumpkin is thrilled by the enthusiasm of your dogs! The movement welcomes cats too as they understand that when we work for the common good, we all benefit.

    Wonderful memes. Thank you all for them! School is back in session and I’m subbing already. Working is very healthy for me as it keeps my mind from dwelling on politics.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,498

    Loved the RFK behind the tree looking for a snack!

    If Trump really truly believes he won the election, won the debates etc. etc. etc. he is completely delusional…..if not, he is completely corrupt. Either way, how could anyone in his/her right mind vote for him????? That is what I can not understand.

    I'm going to be out of town for a long weekend. Since I have NOT been able to log in on my phone since the big change over, I will check in when I get home.

  • miriandra
    miriandra Member Posts: 2,164

    Inara, Hank, and Dean want to join the super PAC (Paws Against Corruption) too.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    It is a glorious privilege to live, to know, to act, to listen, to behold, to love. To look up at the blue summer sky; to see the sun sink slowly beyond the line of the horizon; to watch the worlds come twinkling into view, first one by one, and the myriads that no person can count, and lo! the universe is white with them; and you and I are here.     -Marco Morrow

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211
    edited September 13

    I have Alfie, Lil' Boy, Charlie Brown, Remi, Lucky, Dilly, Dally, and Buddy (my cats) and Lil' Red who is our only dog — a Schnauzer puppy who we have only had a couple of months. We would like to join. Sorry or mom doesn't have any pics of us — she never learned how.

    Decided I should come back and say we have done (trying not to now at our ages) rescues for a long time and that is why we have all the cats. It is not ideal having so many because it keeps you poor and worse yet, they don't always get as much attention as they deserve. We have the one pup because our last rescue dog passed (speaking of only the last 6 rescues) passed and despite registering on the rescue sites we couldn't find the right fit for our house. Got so lonesome for a dog when our neighbor had purebred Schnauzer babies we went and got one — hence, Lil' Red. He is a pure delight — loves to wrestle with the big bruiser orange and white cats.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    HCR:

    Today, Trump backed out of another debate with Vice President Kamala Harris. He tried to spin his fear as a sign of strength, claiming that “Polls clearly show that I won the Debate,” and so there was no reason to debate again, but boy, is that going to be a hard sell. 

    First of all, as journalist Ahmed Baba points out, “This man has never, in his life, denied a stage with millions of viewers…. Trump’s post-debate internal polls must be brutal.” Second, he hardly looks dominant as TikTok is overflowing with memes making fun of his “They’re eating the dogs” moment and as Vice President Harris made fun of his “concepts of a plan” to replace the Affordable Care Act to a packed 17,000-seat stadium in Greensboro, North Carolina.

    Tim Miller of The Bulwark wrote: “Impotent Trump was too intimidated to even look Kamala’s direction at the debate and now he wusses out of the rematch. Cannot recall a more dramatic demonstration of beta weakness in a campaign setting.” Harris posted on social media that “we owe it to the voters to have another debate,” and reiterated that sentiment to her cheering supporters in Greensboro.

    In a speech to about 550 people in Tucson, Arizona, Trump insisted he had scored a “monumental victory” in the debate, referred to Minnesota governor Tim Walz as the vice president, slurred his words, and appeared to be having trouble reading off the teleprompters. CNN tonight compared one of Trump’s 2016 debates with Hillary Clinton to his performance on Tuesday, and the difference was stark.

    Psychiatrist Richard A. Friedman wrote in The Atlantic today that Trump is showing signs of cognitive decline. His tangents and inability to get to a point suggest “a fundamental problem with an underlying cognitive process.” “If a patient presented to me with the verbal incoherence, tangential thinking, and repetitive speech that Trump now regularly demonstrates, I would almost certainly refer them for a rigorous neuropsychiatric evaluation to rule out a cognitive illness,” he wrote.

    Trump continues to try to dominate the political debate by refusing to back off any of his assertions, doubling down on the lies about immigrants eating pets and teachers giving students sex change operations. He called Harris a “Marxist communist fascist socialist,” clearly just stringing words together.

    Meanwhile, he is giving off vibes of desperation. This afternoon he announced he would launch his crypto platform “World Liberty Financial” on X Spaces on September 16, hardly the sign of a presidential candidate convinced he’s about to regain his position as the leader of the free world.  

    It has been notable for a while that Trump’s wife, Melania, is nowhere to be seen, and Trump has begun to cling to provocateur Laura Loomer, who has vowed utter loyalty to Trump and is evidently quite happy to be seen with him. This is a problem for the Republican Party because of her history of conspiracy theories and open racism. As Joe Perticone and Marc Caputo of The Bulwark note, Loomer has referred to Vice President Harris as a “drug using prostitute,” for example, and suggested she has not given birth to children because “she’s had so many abortions that she damaged her uterus.”  

    Loomer’s extremism has made other Trump supporters urge him to keep her at a distance, sparking an embarrassing public fight. Two of those trying to get Trump to isolate Loomer are Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA). Their chilliness prompted Loomer to fight back on social media, questioning Graham’s sexual identity and calling attention to Greene’s extramarital affair and comparing her to a “hooker.” 

    The public fight between Loomer and Trump’s more restrained supporters—and who would have thought Greene would fall in the “more restrained” category?—illustrates something Josh Marshall pointed out in Talking Points Memo today. 

    Marshall noted that the Republicans are essentially running two campaigns for president in 2024. One is run by Trump himself, and it is based on Trump’s personal grievances and stories from his rallies that have little relationship to reality. In 2016, Trump blew up the American political scene with his idiosyncrasies, and his unique style led him to the White House. But 2024 is a different moment. The campaign is faltering as Trump appears increasingly unhinged, afraid to be on a stage with Harris, and seemingly unable to distinguish fact from fiction. 

    The other campaign is being run by Trump’s campaign managers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles, who quietly recognize that Trump is in decline and are trying to run a much more traditional campaign. Like Lindsey Graham when he drew Loomer’s wrath, they keep urging Trump to talk about the economy and to dial back the craziness to avoid driving off voters interested in stability. While they are unable to contain Trump, they are trying to win the election by hammering away at swing state voters with ads attacking Harris and trying to make her look radical. 

    If Trump were to win under these circumstances, it seems likely that he would not be the driving force in his own administration. The power of the office would then be wielded by Vice President J.D. Vance, a reality we should confront in the few weeks left before the election. Vance is a religious extremist, of course, whose recent willingness to smear Haitian immigrants with a lie so long as it might enhance the Republicans’ chance of winning was despicable.  

    Aside from the Christian nationalism and the lies, Vance recently said he sees American history as “a constant war between Northern Yankees and Southern Bourbons, where whichever side the hillbillies are on, wins.” The Northern Yankees in the late nineteenth century stood for protecting the right of all men to equality before the law, while the Southern Bourbons—probably named originally for Bourbon County, Kentucky, before the name came to represent those who supported the idea of royalty—wanted to get rid of the Fourteenth Amendment that protected Black rights, and the Fifteenth Amendment that established the right of Black men to vote. 

    Vance said today’s “Northern Yankees” are what he calls “hyper-woke, coastal elites”: the ones trying to protect equal rights. “The Southern Bourbons are sort of the same old-school Southern folks that have been around and influential in this country for 200 years,” Vance said. Or, as people understood it in the late nineteenth century, they were former Confederates who opposed Black rights. “And it’s like the hillbillies have really started to migrate towards the Southern Bourbons instead of the Northern woke people,” he concluded, in an evident hope that they would control the American future. 

    Extremist Republicans used to hide that sentiment. Now the man who could become the acting president is openly embracing it. 

    At the same time MAGA leaders are trying to turn out their base, they are also working to make it harder for Democrats to vote. Yesterday, the Republican-controlled North Carolina Supreme Court decided to permit Independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to have his name taken off the ballot in that state, although, as Mark Joseph Stern reported in Slate, he did not ask to be removed until four days after he withdrew from the race, which was five days after the deadline for withdrawing. 

    By the time he withdrew, county election boards were already printing ballots, and the court’s decision will require nearly three million ballots to be destroyed and new ones designed and printed. According to North Carolina’s state election director, this will take 18 to 23 days and will cut into early voting. North Carolina law requires state officials to mail ballots to Americans living abroad and to service members by September 6, the day that early voting was supposed to start.  

    As Stern points out, Trump and Harris are effectively tied in North Carolina, and early voters there skew Democratic. 

    Last night, musician Taylor Swift won seven awards at the 2024 MTV Video Music Awards, mostly for awards surrounding her song “Fortnight.” In her acceptance speech for “Video of the Year,” she said: “[T]he fact that this is a fan-voted award and you voted for this, I appreciate it so much. And if you are over 18, please register to vote for something else that’s very important coming up, the 2024 presidential election,” Swift said, although she could hardly be heard over the roar from the crowd at her call for them to vote.  

    Pollster Tom Bonier has been following registration numbers and said that there has been a massive increase in voter registrations after Swift’s endorsement of Harris. “This intensity and enthusiasm is really unprecedented at this point. It’s even bigger than what we saw after the Dobbs decision in 2022.”

    Today, Republicans in North Carolina sued to overturn the decision of the state election board that students and employees of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill can use state-approved digital IDs as identification for voting. 

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211
    edited September 13

    Well, well, well. I loved reading the part about the internal polling about the Loon. I had wondered how in the world he could even come close to claiming that he won the debate — other of course, then his own people propping him up. I think about that 'poling' in relation to the Democratic campaign, but never gave it a lot of thought on Reps. side.

    Now I'm truly of the mind that of course, the Loon would be likely terrified of going up against Harris face to face again. So, like the bully he is, he will 'fight' from afar as always. He manages to come off as not nearly as humiliated as he surely must be after getting such a 'whuppin' from not only a woman, but a black one at that. He is in that sense actually a fairly decent actor — but we have already seen what ACTING does for us.

    As to illness and the Loon actually being again in the WH, and someone else pulling the strings — I've always felt that others (recall what was always said about his decisions and the last person he talked to) were the driving force on the first go-round. He didn't know what he was doing, and he didn't really care save for what it might take to keep his grift going strong. So, of course, we would end up with Vance. Only one very small step removed from the total horror of the Loon and far from enough for me.

    We have to win and win as much down ballot as up because there is much that needs change — so much, and the other side will expand the negative, so they have to go. I hope we can message that well.

    I did take heart that Kamala spoke in front of 17,000 people while the Loon has 550 in Tuscon, Az. Of course, the Loon is just keeping his foot in the door I presume since we are this close. He has to be sent out and he will have to 'act' like he knows what he is doing. That said, it must be a bit terrifying for his handlers at this point. They can't let him stay home, but the Loon has all sorts of pressures — he recently lost more ground with appeals etc., and then a disastrous debate, and then having to undergo whatever silent but on-going humiliations as Harris out raises, outpaces in crowds, outpaces in endorsements, and seems to be doing quite well poll-wise. We may not be hearing it but apparently the internal polls could cause plenty of distress. So, I do believe as has been stated that the loon may be having a tremendous struggle, and it will only get worse with someone who is also going through the mental disability of dementia/Alzheimer's.

    Perhaps that is a large part of the item here when people say they are not sure. It is off-putting because it makes it sound like you still are considering the loon which is a bit NUTS all by itself. Some people say the Loon is out, but many don't. I hope people will realize we will never get a perfect candidate — there are far too many of us in need of a leader, but we can get a person who will care for us w/o the harm and degradation and horror of someone like the Loon. We have to start somewhere and not voting for the BEST qualified candidate is a better answer than not voting at all or putting something like your dead Uncle's name down. I hope people will get serious — if there are things they don't like about Harris, so be it — but the other guy is nothing. You don't have to love Harris, but the way to get what you want does not lie in not voting. In my view you are trying to twist the system as much as the Loon when you deny the vote to the most qualitied overall candidate. Take the best that is there and then work to change things. You won't make it better for yourself by doing nothing or writing in someone else to cancel your vote. It is your job to stand up and be heard and when we do it together it helps all.

    ETA: As to Laura Loomer, I have no words. I guess if you have to have a 'female' if your wife won't stand up with you, but Loon is so far gone he is incapable of seeing the dumpster on fire right before his eyes.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    Just read what Steven King ( totally priceless ) said about the Loon saying he won Tues. debate so would not be debating Kamala Harris again.

    King said," Guess he decided one ass-kicking was enough".

    Absolutely can't go through that again. Trial by fire and Loon got fried.

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,573

    More good commentary, Jackie. Glad you posted HRC’s newsletter. Some random thoughts about it: I don’t want FG to have a complete meltdown before the election. I want the election to be Harris vs FG. It totally gags me that after eight years of psychiatrists absolutely refusing to diagnose FG’s mental condition because “he’s not their patient” or “it’s unethical”, now we are hearing from some who want to shout it from the rooftops. W.T.F.

    Wow. Laura Loomer. I hadn’t read much about her so I read her Wikipedia page today. What a train wreck. Twain.Weck. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. My hope is that this latest abomination to FGs campaign continues to undermine, degrade and erode it beyond repair. The woman is hideous.

    I’ve seen FG as merely a figurehead for some time now. He really does nothing other than be that. Mitch McConnell has used him to get so much Republican legislation passed. What too many people do not grasp is that when he is gone, more horrific ones are standing in line to take his place. They are not going away.

    You make a most excellent point, Jackie, saying this: “In my view you are trying to twist the system as much as the Loon when you deny the vote to the most qualified overall candidate.”


    Dh and I had early errands to run this morning, then we stopped for breakfast at Eat’n’Park, a local chain restaurant. Just before we left, their sound system started playing the song “Put a Little Love in Your Heart” by Jackie DeShannon. Dh and I always sing a few song lyrics softly out loud to each other when a good tune comes on somewhere, which is what we did today.

    “I hope when you decide, kindness will be your guide; put a little love in your heart.
    And the world will be a better place
    For you (for you)
    And me (and me)
    You just wait (just wait) and see….”

    A few older guys with ballcaps were sitting near us, and I know they saw and heard our little interaction with each other. I was hoping that maybe, if they were magas, they might sense it is time for hope and kindness and moving forward and leaving the anger and destruction behind. Or at least realize that some of us are getting on with moving in a positive direction.


  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    I read on the way here (always with a grain of salt just in case) that Trump has Loomer because that is the type of people he drifts to when he is in a state of not rusting his handlers/advisors. This is why he put Cory Lewandowski on — he really lost faith in the others. Cory won't do much for him and Ms. Loomer will be totally destructive.

    I would imagine you are right Divine. We should be hoping Trump makes it all the way to the actual election and if someone like Loomer hangs in maybe that is good as well.

    I am disturbed though by the huge upset she as well as Trump have fostered by their "eating people's pets in Ohio" fantasy. It has caused schools to be shut down and I think some other city offices. This is totally not right and I really think something needs to be done about truly abhorrent lies. I'm not sure just how many people may believe them, but the point is they are causing way too much daily normal activities like normal school days and city offices people use. It is one thing to bend a truth here and there and not tell the truth, but when it starts to impact everyday normal healthy environments, something needs to change.

    That is a not only a disgusting lie but puts people (along with closed offices and schools) in huge danger and I'm really at a point where I feel when you are "campaigning" there need to be some controls instituted. Why must we have campaigns and elections that feature such degraded activities. I know, the Loon is like no other, and I do note that he has in fact caused a number of Reps. to get major cases of nerves. I do indeed hope and pray the lot of them get sent down the road and as many as can be for good. I think it is a shame that perhaps it is time to give elections and campaigns some better parameters (just in case) because while I hope never to foist someone like a Trump ever on the American people again — no one really thought we have the orange abomination for going on 9 yrs. and more.

    This is why we need all there branches this time — and for as long as possible. So much to do. So many things needing attention and fixing.

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,573
    edited September 14

    HCR’s newsletter today went over a lot of what Mitch McConnell has done to our country, what we have often talked about here. Too many Dems, even today, failed to grasp that McConnell had a long game going. He used all the disruptive and devisiveness of FG as a smokescreen to work behind the scenes to pass a lot of horrific legislation. Too many Dems focused on FGs mispelled words, disastrous photo ops, ridiculous lies foaming from his mouth, ect. while failing to realize the media was being used to hype all the bullshit and in the meantime, McConnell put Republican agenda into place.

    It is severely disappointing what is happening in Ohio, and it would actually appear that this was the game plan in advance even back when Vance was tapped for the VP nod. This is why FG doesn’t care about rallies or what comes out of his mouth or making many appearances. Republicans are not going about winning in a conventional way.

    HRC puts it this way: “Controlling the country through the courts was the plan behind stacking the courts with Republican nominees and weaponizing the filibuster to stop Democrats from passing legislation. In March 2024, in Slate, legal analyst Mark Joseph Stern noted that McConnell “realized you don’t need to win elections to enact Republican policy. You don’t need to change hearts and minds. You don’t need to push ballot initiatives or win over the views of the people. All you have to do is stack the courts. You only need 51 votes in the Senate to stack the courts with far-right partisan activists…[a]nd they will enact Republican policies under the guise of judicial review, policies that could never pass through the democratic process. And those policies will be bulletproof, because they will be called ‘law.’”

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    "One of the sanest, surest, and most generous joys of life comes from being happy over the good fortune of others."

    ~ Robert A. Heinlein

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    Divine, HCR is as usual spot on. I recall McConnell refusing to give Merritt Garland a hearing in the Senate and insisted instead that it was an election year and the 'new' president (who was supposed to be Hillary Clinton) should be able to pick the next supreme Court Judge. For nearly a year we went on minus a judicial SC vacancy. That convinced me then for sure that McConnell was highly dangerous to Democrats. Took me awhile to see it, but thwarting Obama's SC pick made it loud and clear.

    Thrilled to see HCR remind everyone how we 'lose' so much after winning, and how so much hard work goes into trying for those wins that should come to us, but don't. When I had little time to devote to politics, I never understood why we elected someone who seemed so right for the job and yet we were always getting let down. Mitch McConnell made it very transparent.

    I do think we are learning but it has come hard, and it is going to be hard, but we can get there because we are Democrats and because most people want a government that does work for EVERYONE and not just one political party.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    Not sure we needed the 'diseases' mentioned, but I put this here to show the adoration. This gal is seemingly smitten with this loon. She is loving the fact she has his ear — and you do wonder about anything else.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    Yes. I hope Vance and his TOTAL career get totally wrecked along the way too.

  • illinoislady
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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 38,211

    Choose their couples name.

    Trump + Loomer = Toomer

    Loomer + Trump = Lump

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