I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!
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Haha! I love all the memes but Mitch fallen and can’t obstruct is fantabulous! LOL
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I'd have never watched Pence's interview unless you'd mentioned it, Ruth (Plus I'm not a fan of David Muir). But it was on right after DWTS, so I tuned in. I would love to hear what anyone else on this thread thought about it. In some ways, Pence did step up to the plate and do the right thing and his action of certifying the election result votes saved our democracy. On the other, he still won't throw Trump completely under the bus, despite that not just his life, but his wife and daughter's lives were endangered on Jan 6. Is the man still in denial that he was just a dispensable pawn in Trump's attempt to rule the U.S.? That Trump couldn't give a flying fig about Pence's well being? The two didn't speak for five days after the attempted coup!!!
Overall, I'm glad I watched the interview. Of course, Pence wants to sell his book. I just read this: “The book, described as "the most robust defense of the Trump record of anyone who served in the administration, was released Tuesday as both men are considering running for president in 2024." Pence is deranged.
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Big barf. This USA Today article describes some of what’s in Pence’s book.
* "I have no regrets," Pence wrote. The fact that three of the five Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe v. Wade were appointed during the Trump-Pence administration "makes all the hardship we endured from 2016 forward more than worth it.”
* Trump's musings that light or disinfectants could cure COVID-19 was an "unforced error," Pence acknowledges.
* “Trump's takeover of the coronavirus briefings Pence led weren't a distraction from vitally need communication during a pandemic. Rather, Trump's combative exchanges with reporters were "in some way reassuring to the American people that life was going on."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/14/mike-pence-memoir-trump/10662162002/0 -
I don't like or agree with Mike Pence 99.99% of the time. And his adoration of, and sucking up to, Donald Trump was part of the problem. BUT he did what was right on January 6th, while literally risking his life. If he had no conscience or commitment to honor his oath of office (which is the case most of Trump's other sycophants), we could be sitting here in a dictatorship, or an all out civil war. So, I am grateful to him for that.
On a brighter note,
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Coming to appreciate your worth can, in some cases, dramatically improve your circumstances by changing the choices you make and the actions you take. And as you begin to treat yourself with more respect, other people begin to do the same, since we subconsciously "train" others how to treat us through messages we send through body language, tone of voice, and other subtle cues and behaviors. Discovering your innate worth and living from that place allows you to make more constructive choices--to choose the higher roads of life.
Dan Millman
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I too am VERY grateful that Pence did the right thing. It is still a bit dismaying that he was trying to find an avenue to do what the Loon wanted but it just wasn't there at the time. Pence did not want to become the pariah who helped the Loon burn it all down. I do commend Pence for that, but like Divine. I see him as really deranged. I just can't get to allowing someone to skate free who put a V.P. and his whole family, as well possibly some who were just surrounding Pence at the time.
Ultimately, I think (hope) he may get the message from God to let a run in 2024 go. Realizing that he was not ever (till Loon left the WH) in a great position to go against what the Loon wanted, as far as I'm concerned, he has continued to exhibit misguided and poor judgement. He has the same problem as most of the rest of the Loon's Reps. supporters, especially those in government positions then and now. Most of the Reps. party has lost their way and look just like the Loon. Transparent and loud about what they are determined to try and TAKE from the American people, as if it is what the American people want, and they have every right. Though you don't see it I'm inserting a big ahem' red stop sign here. You are all, for the most part, a special kind of lunatic and are not to be trusted or given attention other than in defeating you.
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Imo, the Pence's book is simply a precursor to his running in 2024. His book is titled “So help me God" which tells me he's already started courting the white evangelical vote. He makes many references to God in his interview with David Muir. The book and interview are strategically timed so he can make a presidential bid. I'm sure all of this has been in the works with his campaign people, even tho he says he talked it all over with his family. Bringing his family more to the forefront is part of his strategy, too.
After thinking about the interview, I also think he’s smart enough to know how not to whip up the wrath of Trumpers too much, knowing to defend Trump in some cases, yet still try to show he’s his own man separate from Trump and will do things according to his own conscience and religious beliefs. And he’s a POS.
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I wonder if their is anyone, no matter how sanctimonious, who can budge the True Believers away from Trump? I think they are too far down the rabbit hole.
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Donald Trump is trying to project the image that he is presidential with a primetime "big announcement" at 9 PM ET, and he is definitely hoping that television networks take the bait and give him the free media that powered his first run for the presidency in 2016.
Television networks have been here before, and they should not take the bait.
The former president stopped being a ratings draw for the networks in 2018. There is no reason to think that his status has improved, as midterm voter exit polls gave him an approval rating of 37%.
The Media Should Not Reward An Attempted Coup
Because he is facing a potential federal criminal indictment, Trump should not be ignored completely. He remains the nation's biggest threat to democracy, and ignoring him completely only allows him to work to sabotage our system of governance without accountability.
Ignoring Trump isn't the answer, but giving him an unchecked platform to spew lies and undermine democracy would make the television networks accessories to Trump's crimes against America...
Read this this morning and a thought popped into my head. I thought well maybe in this announcement it will be worded in such a way as to allow him to keep getting money. I thought I read somewhere a bit ago, that donations for him are not near what he was getting. So, I'm still thinking if there is a way to keep things indefinite while leaving a very strong illusion that he is really going to run, that I wouldn't be surprised. I also think he wants a positive way to get himself seen and heard again in what he sees a very positive light. He is and has been a loser, and I think he too felt like there was going to be a red wave and he would just get in on that as he might be viewed much more positive. Un-fortunately he lost once again. Just thinking his vanity, even more so with even Fox news giving him the cold shoulder, won't allow him to delay any possible national appearance.
I'm thinking he is going to continue to be a positive, for the Democrat side. He is many things, none good, but he definitely remains a loser and a big dragon the Reps. party.
I don't know how long it is going to take for the Reps. party members to realize there is nothing in the Loon and for all their efforts they have lost as well.
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No wonder she lost.
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The networks suck big time if they give the asshat a platform to announce anything on prime time.
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DEMAND GROWS TO IMPEACH CLARENCE THOMAS
Posted by Grace Maria | Nov 15, 2022 | Congress, Impeachment, National News, Supreme Court | 0 |
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Americans have had their share of impeachment trials in Congress over the past two years. Of course, those have been in the form of presidential impeachments. Now, a growing chorus is demanding that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas face the music of impeachment.
Thomas, who has been on the high court since the early 90s, is facing those calls thanks to multiple rulings he made that seemed to favor former President Trump, his own wife, and the January 6th insurrection. In every case, the full court has gone the opposite way of Thomas's judgements.
The fact that he even allowed himself to make some of those rulings has many scholars up in arms. More than once, Thomas has refused to recuse himself despite obvious conflicts of interest. Judges are supposed to recuse themselves if there is even an appearance of any conflict.
Thomas previously was the lone justice to dissent from the court's refusal to block the release of White House records held by the National Archives to the Jan. 6 Committee. It was later revealed in March that his wife had been in communication with White House officials about Trump's machinations to overturn President Joe Biden's victory.
This week marked a second time Thomas seemed to intervene to hamper the committee's efforts to investigate the plot to overturn the 2020 election in which his wife, Ginni Thomas, played a role.
In a dissent on Monday, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas showed that he would have blocked enforcement of a subpoena issued by the House Jan. 6 Committee for the phone and text records of Arizona Republican Party Chair Kelli Ward.
Clarence Thomas was alone in that view. Coincidence?
His wife has also been caught appearing to be deceitful about her role in the insurrection and coup attempt by former President Trump after losing the 2020 election by about 7 million votes.
She disclosed in a March 14 interview with the conservative Washington Free Beacon that she attended the Jan. 6, 2021 rally at the Ellipse, she claimed she got cold and left before it turned into a violent insurrection aimed at stopping Congress' certification of electoral votes.
Ginni Thomas' messages to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows reveal she was more than just a rally attendee. She sent Meadows outlandish false conspiracy theories that Trump lawyer Sidney Powell was spreading and promoting. Those claims included widespread election fraud that implicated hundreds of people, if not thousands, around the globe, including long-dead Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez. Thomas also sent Meadows a text quoting a far-right conspiracy theory falsely claiming that the "Biden crime family" had been arrested and were on their way to the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
The text messages between Meadows and Thomas exposed her after Meadows handed over documents to the Jan. 6 committee before he claimed executive privilege and stopped complying.
Clarence Thomas has also seemed to try to hinder the Department of Justice's investigation into stolen documents that were found when a lawful search warrant was executed last summer. The justice temporarily blocked an effort to use those documents to continue to investigate possible crimes. The full court, this time including Clarence Thomas, overruled his previous order.
The Department of Justice, in that case, sternly requested that the SCOTUS not get involved as the appellate court ruling, which overruled a bizarre and legally questionable ruling by a Trump appointed judge. Thomas ignored that request and gave the appearance to many that he was trying to help his wife's political ally and hero.
Thomas's rulings have often been "outside the mainstream" of justice, and at times, even the conservative brand of justice. But after January 6th, to many, something much more sinister seems to be afoot.
Thomas originally became a member of the SCOTUS after a contentious confirmation hearing where Anita Hill alleged that he had sexually harassed her.
The Thomas's have claimed that they don't discuss or get involved in each other's business defending his recent decisions. But past statements might contradict that claim.
"My wife is my best friend," Clarence Thomas told students at Stetson University College of Law in 2010. "I can rant with her."
"I love to spend time with my wife, who is totally my best friend," Thomas said at the Supreme Court Historical Society's annual lecture in 2019.
"It's his wife, it's his best friend, his most trusted confidante, and he loves her unconditionally," right-wing pundit and Thomas friend Armstrong Williams told told The New York Times about the voicemail Ginni Thomas left for Anita Hill, the former Thomas aide who accused him of sexual harassment in 1991.
"My wife is my best friend in the whole word," Clarence Thomas enthusiastically said in a 2012 speech to University of Florida law students.
"It's great to be married to your best friend," Thomas said at a gathering of the conservative Federalist Society in 1999.
Over 1.2 million people have now signed on to a petition to impeach Clarence Thomas.
There have also been calls for him to outright resign.
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Sorry, tried every which way to edit out the top portion of the above article, but it just wouldn't budge for me. Apologies.
I do hope though that there may be turmoil brewing heavily for Thomas. He seems to be as transparent as many of the Reps. have become since the Loon showed them how to ignore everyone and say and do what you want. A Supreme Court judge shouldn't get away with this kind of behavior.
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Getting a bit out of mind now, but I couldn't pass it up.
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On the Kimberly Guilfoyle topic, here is a photo of what she looked like when she was married to Gavin Newsome. When she first appeared as trump booster, I was shocked that it was the same woman, but indeed it was!
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exbrnxgrl,
That is an amazing picture of Kimberly. Nice of Newsome as well. She seemed, at least in that picture to be somewhat refined and lady-like -- like a businessperson. . Why she seems to feel the need to be a little outlandish now I'm not sure, but to me it isn't very flattering. In fact, she often looks like she is an airhead missing too many brain cells. She has hooked up with loons and seems to take on their actions and responses.
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Pence tried to do what Trump wanted re the certification- but, all his advisors said he had no options under the constitution and could face jail time if he tried- that's why he "did the right thing". his Secret service providers sent messages home to their families that they may not make it out alive!
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Fox News has been a bit wishy-washy where the Loon is concerned, but somehow it feels to me like this time Murdoch means it. Partly because has shown himself (the Loon) to be a rather consistent loser in the last few years, and definitely while he was still in the WH. That and insurrection plus the criminal or civil charges that may come, as well as too many indictments that may be on the way.
I think, at some point, even Fox won't go for a loser. It is generally bad for business though I've never like their business at all. I'd love to see then fade out too, but that would mean??? would Reps. really go to the dogs and start relying on places like Newsmaxx. We mainly see them as mentally affected by the Loon years, and the far rt. news outlets would really add to it.
The party needs a big re-vamp that includes the normalcy they once could display. I hope they can clear their heads and get back to quieter rationale. Not sure how it will go. Right now they don't seem anywhere near giving up on the direction they have taken.
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nkb, thanks for the insight on Pence discussing with his lawyers what to do about certifying election results. He is one of the few who chose not to go to jail for Trump. Quiet a surprise since he was/is such a Trump ass kisser. Maybe the lawyers told him it would ruin his own chances to run for president. It’s very sobering to hear that secret service were calling family saying they might not make it out alive.
Jackie, I’m sure Republicans are having a big pow wow on what their next election strategy will be. They thought more people wanted to go more extreme. I think they’ll do their best to get moderates in there next and once they have them in place in office, they’ll bully them to tow the Republican line to go extreme. If the newly elected candidates choose to stay moderate, they’ll just try to ruin them like they did with Liz Cheney and others.
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