I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!

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  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited August 2020

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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
    edited August 2020

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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
    edited August 2020

    Lying and screaming or screaming and lying -- no matter what it is always backwards and we are accused of what THEY do or are doing !!

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited August 2020

    MELANIA LOOKS LIKE A RUSSIAN SPY IN A JAMES BOND MOVIE! PUTIN IS PROBABLY IN A STATE OF AROUSAL.....

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited August 2020

    WELL, THIS SHOULD BE INTERESTING......

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  • chisandy
    chisandy Member Posts: 11,408
    edited August 2020

    Looking at Melania, I am reminded of a scene from the flick The First Wives' Club in which a plastic surgeon (played by Rob Reiner) says to an aging actress (played by Goldie Hawn), "Elise, if I do one more eye lift on you you're gonna be able to blink your lips!"

    As to Kim Guilfoyle, did Gavin Newsom ever dodge a bullet or what?

    Louis DeJoy yesterday admitted that the only thing he knew about the USPS when appointed as PG was the price of a first-class stamp. Meanwhile, a postal worker in Dallas shared a pic of a disabled sorting machine and explained that he and his coworkers tried to rebuild it, but a crucial part had been discarded. Same thing happening in Tacoma, WA.

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,614
    edited August 2020

    I'm Billy Graham's granddaughter. Evangelical support of Donald Trump spits on his legacy.




    By supporting Donald Trump, evangelical leaders are failing us and failing the gospel. Christian women must step up where our church leaders won't.


    By Jerusha Duford, USA Today Opinion Contributor 8/25/2020


    As the proud granddaughter of the man largely credited for beginning the evangelical movement, the late Billy Graham, the last few years have led me to reflect on how much has changed within that movement in America.

    I have spent my entire life in the church, with every big decision guided by my faith. But now, I feel homeless. Like so many others, I feel disoriented as I watch the church I have always served turn their eyes away from everything it teaches. I hear from Christian women on a daily basis who all describe the same thing: a tug at their spirit.

    Most of these women walked into a voting booth in 2016 believing they were choosing between two difficult options. They held their breath, closed their eyes, and cast a vote for Donald Trump, whom many of us then believed to be "the lesser of two evils," all the while feeling that tug.

    I feel it every time our president talks about government housing having no place in America's suburbs. Jesus said repeatedly to defend the poor and show kindness and compassion to those in need. Our president continues to perpetuate an us-versus-them narrative, yet almost all of our church leaders say nothing.

    I feel this tug every time our president or his followers speak about the wall, designed to keep out the very people scripture tells us to welcome. In Trump's America, refugees are not treated as "native-born," as scripture encourages. Instead, families are separated, held in inconceivable conditions and cast aside as less then.

    The church honors Trump before God


    Trump went so far as to brag about his plans, accomplishments and unholy actions towards the marginalized communities I saw my grandfather love and serve. I now see, through the silence of church leaders, that these communities are no longer valued by individuals claiming to uphold the values my grandfather taught.

    The gentle tug became an aggressive yank, for me, earlier this year, when our country experienced division in the form of riots, incited in great part by this president's divisive rhetoric. I watched our president walk through Lafayette Square in Washington, D.C., after the tear gassing of peaceful protesters for a photo op.

    He held a Bible, something so sacred to all of us, yet he treated that Bible with a callousness that would offend anyone intimately familiar with the words inside it. He believed that action would honor him and only him. However, the church, designed to honor God, said nothing.

    It seems that the only evangelical leaders to speak up praised the president, with no mention of his behavior that is antithetical to the Jesus we serve. The entire world has watched the term "evangelical" become synonymous with hypocrisy and disingenuousness.

    My faith and my church have become a laughing stock, and any attempt by its members to defend the actions of Trump at this time sound hallow and insincere.

    One of my grandfather's favorite verses was Micah 6:8, in which we are told that the Lord requires of his people to do justly, to love kindness and mercy, and to walk humbly. These are the attributes of our faith we should present to the world. We can no longer allow our church leaders to represent our faith so erroneously.

    Women of faith know better


    I have given myself permission to lean into that tug in my spirit and speak out. I may be against the tide, but I am firm in my faith that this step is most consistent with my church and its teachings.

    At a recent large family event, I was pulled aside by many female family members thanking me for speaking out against an administration that they, too, had been uncomfortable with. With tears in their eyes, they used a hushed tone, out of fear that they were alone or at risk of undeserved retribution.

    How did we get here? How did we, as God-fearing women, find ourselves ignoring the disrespect and misogyny being shown from our president? Why do we feel we must express our discomfort in hushed whispers in quiet corners? Are we not allowed to stand up when it feels everyone else around us is sitting down?

    The God we serve empowers us as women to represent Him before our churches. We represent God before we represented any political party or leader. When we fail to remember this, we are minimizing the role He created for us to fill. Jesus loved women; He served women; He valued women and we need to give ourselves permission to stand up and do the same.

    If a plane gets even slightly off course, the plane will never reach its destination without a course correction. Perhaps this journey for us women looks similar. Perhaps you cringe at the president suggesting that America's "suburban housewife" cares more about her status than those in need, but try to dismiss comments on women's appearance as fake news.

    When we look at our daughters, our nieces, our female students, and even ourselves, we feel the need to lean into that tug in our spirit. You may not have felt it four years ago; we do the best with what we know at the time. However, if we continue to ignore the tug we now feel, how will we ever be able to identify what is truly important to us?

    I chose to listen to my spirit and speak out. Not because doing so feels comfortable, but because it feels like the right way to leverage the voice God has empowered me with. Now I am asking all of you that feel as I do, to embrace your inner tug, and allow it to lead you to use the power of your God-given voice and not allow Trump to lead this country for another four years.

    Link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/25/billy-graham-evangelicals-support-donald-trump-hypocrisy-column/5625617002/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm

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    Jerushah Duford is an evangelical author, speaker and member of Lincoln Women, a coalition of women in the Lincoln Project. Follow her on Twitter: @jerushahruth

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
    edited August 2020

    When I found I no longer had the stamina to work long hours clearing the fallen limbs in the woods around my house, I began to bring a lawn chair and a thermos with me. I still work in the woods, but stop frequently to sit and have a cup of tea. I've identified birds I didn't know lived here and evidence that a bobcat shares the property. Since I've slowed down some, I see things I never saw before and find that quiet solitude is not lonely but nurturing, allowing my heart to open to the signs and lessons of nature that surround me.

    Sallirae Henderson

  • everymoment
    everymoment Member Posts: 6,656
    edited August 2020

    Trump's plea to christians makes so much sense in his frequent diatribes against people of color. Robert P. Jones in his book White too long, writes: The more racist attitudes a person holds, the more likely he or she is to identify as a white Christian." The results hold true for regular and infrequent churchgoers, across geographical regions and for white evangelicals, mainline Protestants and Roman Catholics. It's hard to argue with his conclusion that white supremacy is somehow genetically encoded into white Christianity in the United States. Sadly, white Christians are about 30 percentage points more likely to say monuments to Confederate soldiers are symbols of Southern pride rather than symbols of racism.

    As for women's rights, christians fought against suffrage and continue to fight against women having rights over her own body. Christians form the largest cancel culture by denying working women birth control coverage while at the same time funding viagra so men can impregnate women. Enough with the virtuous talk about 'empowering women' when it is the Christian community that denies women power, power to choose not to stay pregnant while enabling men to impregnate them, again and again.

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,614
    edited August 2020

    Well said, magiclight!

    Today, August 25 is National Women's Equality Day


  • beaverntx
    beaverntx Member Posts: 2,962
    edited August 2020

    Please distinguish between Christian and evangelical Christian. It remains a mystery to me how or why evangelicals can support DJT (or as the man from Ohio said Donald John President). If you have not been watching Colbert you are missing some good commentary!

  • betrayal
    betrayal Member Posts: 3,307
    edited August 2020

    Right on, Magiclight.

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,614
    edited August 2020

    As to Kim Guilfoyle, did Gavin Newsom ever dodge a bullet or what?

    Hell to the yeah

    I saw about one minute of her and was disgusted. The way she looked really turned me off. Her face was very stern and the corners of her mouth downturned. She looked very jacked up by the people who take care of women's appearances on Fox News. Very fake. But you know, thass what the Fox mens want. Long hair, tight fitting clothes. Not listening to what she says, just wondering what she's like in bed and happy they have her vote and happy she can try to nab other women's votes.

  • erento
    erento Member Posts: 187
    edited August 2020

    Ah I found you guys! I used to visit/post on the other thread, but I got lost!

    So does the RNC intend to sway any voters at this point? Given the polarizing nature of Trump, are there really a lot of independents left? Do they take educated suburban women as idiots who can easily be manipulated by an ordinary yet inoffensive speech (yes, an achievement in Trump circle) by a gold-digger 3rd wife of a crooked president?

  • everymoment
    everymoment Member Posts: 6,656
    edited August 2020

    Eren...good question. It sure seems that the answer is yes.

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,614
    edited August 2020

    I finished "The Art of Her Deal" book about Melania. It was a bit boring; I expected more from author Mary Jordan, a Pulitzer prize writer for WaPo.

    My own comparison of Melania to Jackie Kennedy: we all remember Six Million Dollar Man/Woman. One bionic feat they often repeated was raising the side of a vehicle up with one hand. I lived in LA when the shows were popular and visited a theme park where park guests could visit a hands-on real car exhibit and easily lift it up themselves! The secret? It was only the outer shell of the car, no car parts of any kind inside. On the passenger side out of view was a long, heavy roll bar weighting that side down, allowing for a smooth lift from the other side. It was as easy as raising the trunk of your car. So it looked like the real deal, but upon further inspection.....

    What I'm getting at is Melania is only the shell of what Jackie Kennedy embodied. She might look like the Mercedes Benz of First Ladies on the surface, but there’s nothing purring under that hood. Too many people don't look below the surface.

    It was reported Melania knew five languages, but she doesn't. While Jackie gave speeches in other languages, and spoke Italian to the Pope for half and hour, Melania needed an interpreter when she saw the Pope and can barely command the English language in a speech.

    Jackie was an original known for her historic White House preservation. She’s influenced many other First Ladies. Melania, instead, has copied many First Ladies. (Btw, as a flower garden enthusiast, I think Melania BOTCHED the Rose Garden remodel). I do not think any future First Ladies will be influenced by her.

    No one emulates Melania's style of dress. Jackie started the pill box hat trend after her famous wearing of one on the back of her head; women began teasing their hair like her and even today many of us sport the big Jackie sunglasses.

    Oh, and Jackie married a Democrat whose family devoted themselves to the service of others whereas Melania married a Republican devoted to the service of himself.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
    edited August 2020

    Divine, I am glad Ms. Duford ( Billy Graham's grand-daughter saw so clearly and spoke out. Even though I don't consider myself religious ( more spiritual ) I used to love listening to Billy Graham. He lived and preached the principles that played out around me every day. That made him easy to listen to as he didn't twist anything around to fit circumstances. That is so lacking now as people do double black flips and whatever it takes to stay cozy with how Trump wants things. There are way too many perversions that have to take place when someone like Trump is around and obviously there are way too many who don't mind being perverted.

    Just as aside -- on the way here I read that Jerry Falwell is officially out of Liberty University. It is said that a partner of his had as affair with his wife -- and he even watched the trysts from a corner of the room. Well, that is super dicey and not information I really needed, but just another instance of perversion. Anyone can go astray. Sometimes I wonder how many 'men' of God might be there in the great hope that a spiritual discipline will help them contain some of their impulses. Falwell may lend some light on its perhaps not working well at all. It seems for many ( thinking along the lines of Jim Baker though that was different ) at some point the overwhelm of what is happening and their errant ways come to light.

    Anyway long way of saying Ms. Duford has the right stuff and it is a shame if a lot of women ( anyone ) don't follow her example of saying and doing what is right.

  • everymoment
    everymoment Member Posts: 6,656
    edited August 2020

    I am not a big follower of fashion, but does the dress color and style Melania wore for her speech resemble the "I really don't care do you?' outfit?

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
    edited August 2020

    Eren, I too with go with a yes. Divine has great answers as well on the differences of Melania and Jackie O. By the way -- glad you re-found us here. We changed out this thread a bit early maybe. Not sure why ( no offense meant here mods ) but I think some changes were being made and things slowed almost to a crawl -- as had happened once before when we just had posted so much that our thread ended up a very slow load. Thought it had happened again, but while that may have caused a bit, I think it was a combination. So, we asked Blue to re-start us in the hope it would be back to business as usual. Took a while.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
    edited August 2020

    magiclight -- it was about the same color as that "coat" she wore. I also thought it lent something of a military feel as well. Sort of with a meaning that she is behind Trump who wants us to think he is all about our country rather than himself. I don't know -- I just thought she was hoping for 'effect' but she didn't get it from me.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
    edited August 2020

    LMAO


    Image may contain: text that says 'Middle Age Riot @middleageriot The Republican National Convention featured a speech decrying the evils of nepotism followed by speeches by Tiffany Trump, Eric Trump, and Melania Trump and now my irony meter is broken.'

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,614
    edited August 2020

    I thought it was an odd choice of dress color for Melania to wear.

  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Member Posts: 8,178
    edited August 2020

    Sort of a military look with the button down pockets over the fake boobs. Military green?

  • everymoment
    everymoment Member Posts: 6,656
    edited August 2020

    For me, in health care, could it be more the color of bile?

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,698
    edited August 2020

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 1,032
    edited August 2020

    She's not sufficiently bowing down to his lowness. Smile

  • beaverntx
    beaverntx Member Posts: 2,962
    edited August 2020

    magiclight, yes to color of bile. My reaction to her outfit:😝 as well as her presentation--is it a speech when it is so obviously being read from a teleprompter?

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,698
    edited August 2020

    I'm sure it's hard to show much expression when your skin is stretched so tight.

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,614
    edited August 2020

    Beaver, to address the Christian vs evangelical Christian. That is a tough one. Are there Christian leaders, ones that are non-evangelical, who speak out against Trump? I’m asking because I don’t know. I respect the religious beliefs of others. I’m a former Catholic and former born-again Christian, but honestly, I’m not sure what separates the Christians from the Evangelical Christians and would welcome your insight on the subject.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,698
    edited August 2020

    I am pretty excited because my order from the National Museum of American Jewish History just came in!

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    The tee shirt and travel coffee mug are self-explanatory. The I Scream for Ice Cream face-mask is just for fun.