I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!

illinoislady · September 7

illinoislady · September 7

A little for fun and a little true….

illinoislady · September 7

illinoislady · September 7

illinoislady · September 7

Solution: Don't open your mouth again until you are announcing your resignation from your seat. Thank You.

illinoislady · September 7

Very glad the father was arrested. If we are going to make any difference (especially as long as Reps and NRA are given such deference) then we have to make it painful to mis-behave in some other way and besides, it is only right. You are responsible for your under-age offspring and you are just as irresponsible as they can be when YOU don't do your job.

illinoislady · September 7

illinoislady · September 7

illinoislady · September 7

illinoislady · September 7

ruthbru · September 8

I just had an interesting talk with a friend. She & her husband are Republicans voting for Harris. As she explained it, "I am not voting for Harris because I agreed with her. I'm voting against Trump. We will never rebuild the party until Trump is GONE." Her husband will never vote for Trump because of his disrespect for the military. I'm hoping there are many, many more Republicans who feel the same way!

trishyla1 · September 8

That's really nice to hear, Ruth. I hope we'll be seeing a sizeable subset of Republicans who hate what Trump has turned their party into. I think Cheney fits in this category. She knows her party is broken beyond redeeming at this point. Their only hope is to be there to pick up the pieces after the MAGAS have finally been resoundingly defeated at the polls.

divinemrsm · September 8

Ruth, I’m hoping your Republican friend is the kind of “crossover” voter we get in mass droves. Meaning, those who are voting against TFG and not necessarily voting for the Democratic candidate. That vote is plenty good enough for me. It’s beginning to feel like more Republicans are finally accepting that he must first go before they can salvage or rebuild their party. Of course, I have zero sympathy for any of them. Their tone deafness to what the majority of the country wants has put Republicans in this situation.

I am also highly incensed by the intentional, RAMPANT, continuous voter suppression, the purging of voters from the books, the strong armed tactics of intimidating voters, the laws passed to make it more and more difficult for people to cast their votes, and so on, that Republicans win elections and rule the country with laws that the majority of us do not agree with! Simply put, it is UN-AMERICAN.

divinemrsm · September 8

HCR Saturday newsletter well worth reading. TFG is SUCH a shitshow.

September 7, 2024 (Saturday)

By rights, tonight’s post should be a picture, but Trump’s behavior today merits a marker because it feels like a dramatic escalation of the themes we’ve seen for years. Please feel free to ignore—as I often say, I am trying to leave notes for a graduate student in 150 years, and you can consider this one for her if you want a break from the recent onslaught of news.

Yesterday, Trump ranted at the press, furious that the American legal system had resulted in two jury decisions that he had defamed and sexually abused writer E. Jean Carroll. He was so angry that, with his lawyers standing awkwardly behind him, he told reporters: “I’m disappointed in my legal talent, I’ll be honest with you.”

Today, Trump held a rally in Mosinee, Wisconsin, a small city in the center of the state, where he addressed about 7,000 people. A number of us who have been watching him closely have been saying for a while that when voters actually saw him in this campaign, they would be shocked at how he has deteriorated, and that seems to be true: his meandering and self-indulgent speeches have had attendees leaving early, some of them bewildered. In today’s speech, Trump slurred a number of words, referring to Elon Musk as “Leon,” for example, and forgetting the name of North Dakota governor Doug Burgum, who was on his short list for a vice presidential pick.

But today’s speech struck me as different from his past performances, distinguished for what sounded like desperation. Trump has always invented his stories from whole cloth, but there used to be some way to tie them to reality. Today that seemed to be gone. He was in a fantasy world, and his rhetoric was apocalyptic. It was also bloody in ways that raise huge red flags for scholars of fascism.

Trump told the audience that when he took office in 2017, military officers told him the U.S. had given all the military’s ammunition away to allies. Then he went on a rant against our allies, saying that they’re only our allies when they need something and that they would never come to our aid if we needed them. This echoes the talking points put out by Russian operatives and flies in the face of the fact that the one time the North Atlantic Treaty Organization invoked the mutual defense pact in that agreement was after the attacks of September 11, 2001, in support of the U.S.

He embraced Project 2025’s promise to eliminate the Department of Education and send education back to the states so that right-wing figures like Wisconsin’s Senator Ron Johnson can run it. He reiterated the MAGA claim that mothers are executing their babies after birth—this is completely bonkers—and again echoed Russian talking points when he said these executions are happening—they are not—but “nobody talks about it.” He went on: “We did a great thing when we got Roe v. Wade out of the federal government.”

He reiterated the complete fantasy that schools are performing gender-affirming surgery on children. “Can you imagine you're a parent and your son leaves the house and you say, Jimmy, I love you so much, go have a good day at school, and your son comes back with a brutal operation. Can you even imagine this? What the hell is wrong with our country?” Trump’s suggestion that schools are performing surgery on students is bananas. This is simply not a thing that happens.

And then he went full-blown apocalyptic, attacking immigrants and claiming that crime, which in reality has dropped dramatically since President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris took office after a spike during his own term, has made the U.S. uninhabitable. He said that “If I don’t win Colorado, it will be taken over by migrants and the governor will be sent fleeing.” "Migrants and crime are here in our country at levels never thought possible before…. You're not safe even sitting here, to be honest with you. I'm the only one that's going to get it done. Everybody is saying that." He urged people to protest “because you’re being overrun by criminals.”

He assured attendees that "If you think you have a nice house, have a migrant enjoy your house, because a migrant will take it over. A migrant will take it over. It will be Venezuela on steroids." He reiterated his plan to get rid of migrants. “And you know,” he said, “getting them out will be a bloody story.”

He went on to try to rev up supporters in words very similar to those he used on January 6th, 2021, but focused on this election. “Every citizen who’s sick and tired of the parasitic political class in Washington that sucks our country of its blood and treasure, November fifth will be your liberation day. November fifth, this year, will be the most important day in the history of our country because we’re not going to have a country anymore if we don’t win.”

He promised: “I will prevent World War III and I am the only one that can do it. I will prevent World War III. And if I don’t win this election,... Israel is doomed…. Israel will be gone…. I’d better win.”

"I better win or you're gonna have problems like we've never had. We may have no country left. This may be our last election. You want to know the truth? People have said that. This may be our last election…. It’ll all be over, and you gotta remember…. Trump is always right. I hate to be right. I’m always right.”

Trump's hellscape is only in his mind: crime is sharply down in the U.S. since he left office, migrant crossings have plunged, and the economy is the strongest in the world.

Then, tonight, Trump posted on his social media site a rant asserting that he will win the 2024 election but that he expects Democrats to cheat, and “WHEN I WIN, those people that CHEATED will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this Depravity of Justice does not happen again. We cannot let our Country further devolve into a Third World Nation, AND WE WON’T! Please beware that this legal exposure extends to Lawyers, Political Operatives, Donors, Illegal Voters, & Corrupt Election Officials. Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our Country.”

Is it the Justice Department indictments that showed Russia is working to get him reelected? Is it the rising popularity of Democratic nominees Kamala Harris and Tim Walz? Is it fury at the new grand jury’s indicting him for his attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election and install himself in power? Is it fear of Tuesday’s debate with Harris? Is it a declining ability to grapple with reality?

Whatever has caused it, Trump seems utterly off his pins, embracing wild conspiracy theories and, as his hopes of winning the election appear to be crumbling, threatening vengeance with a dogged fury that he used to be able to hide.

divinemrsm · September 8

divinemrsm · September 8

divinemrsm · September 8

divinemrsm · September 8

I don’t think any of us here put a lot of stock in polls. I know I don’t. It’s hard to do after Hillary’s big upset. For any poll that says one cadidate is ahead, a different poll says the opposite, and other polls say they are closely tied. Really, it’s the g-damn media searching for clicks. So I do not read into any of them. There is SO MUCH fear mongering. I do my best to avoid it.

Recently, on the Cat Ladies for Harris FB page, someone offered this explanation about polling, which I found insightful. Another person made a comment that they’d been a poll taker for decades and found this to be accurate. What domyou think?

Modern day polls struggle to provide an accurate picture for so many reasons:

1) when we all had landlines, people answered the phones, and were much more willing to give their opinions on the political landscape for moment. Today, most people don’t answer calls from unknown numbers. The pool of those who do aren’t representative of the true diversity of the electorate. Those who then give their political opinions is an even smaller subset of that group.

2) Polls used to be released after speaking with 10K-30K respondents. Polls these day rarely speak to just over 2k people, must fall beneath that. A poll of 2k respondents means 20 = 1% point. Even if the 2k were more diverse than the pool of people I pointed into in the first item, it’s not a deep enough survey to predict anything truly reflective of the electorate at large.

3) Consider the mindset of individuals responding to a poll, where average median responses from would be Democratic voters are more likely to include credit to Republican politicians when it’s thought to be due, AND to be critical of Democratic politicians when it’s believed those criticisms have been earned; whereas, average median responses from would be Republican voters are less likely to be critical of Republican politicians, and near never likely to say anything positive about Democratic politicians. This dynamic tends to artificially inflate numbers for Republican candidates, while deflating numbers for Democratic candidates.

4. Pre election polls are NOT votes. When someone answers a poll, they can shoot from the hip, and are less likely to fully consider the gravity of their answers. Telling a pollster what you think before Election Day does NOT carry the same finality as going into the voting booth, and casting your vote.

illinoislady · September 8

Divine, I had just read HCR's latest (copied and pasted) and came here to put it in — before my quote or any other reading. You have already done it. I was really amazed. I do put a fair amt. of stock in hearing HCR speak about this speech being so different and basically 'crazy' while usually the Loon holds it in check. Got me to wondering what we might really see in that debate.

It is no wonder the Loon handlers have had great reluctance about sending him out. I do presume what is coming does weigh heavily and perhaps have major influence of what is said. He remains (certainly in his demented state) a pretty frightening person. If he were anyone else talking like that surely someone would assist him in getting the mental help he so clearly needs — but here he is — getting ready to debate another person for the opportunity to be elected president of the U.S. It is amazing.

I do hope that he falls totally to pieces so we can just start the process early of getting this abomination out of our hair. Everyone has dropped the ball (on purpose in all of the cases) on this guy and it is so far past time.

As to the polling question — I pretty much have been there for a while I think. I don't get involved in polls for the same reasons as given. Also, since we have phone blockers etc. often it is the same people over and over with perhaps a few random new people from time to time. What you feel one day could change in one tv broadcast and change back a couple days later. So what good is a poll really. I also had read earlier that the numbers we get are indeed usually a bit higher and I presume on both sides of the poll — so just another UN-DEPENDABLE figure although great for your side in the end if your number was higher than the other to begin with. In fact, I think when I read that my mind was made up then that listening to poll numbers generally these days only fools with your adrenalin and not much else.

I have paid more attention to other things which when you hear very conservative Reps. (Dick Cheney) say they are voting for Harris says a lot more than a poll number. Still, worry, worry, worry. I feel like there are more people out there who just seem so un-concerned about a surviving democracy because they have been mesmerized by a madman and far too many on the other side are using those individuals for their own selfish motives.

illinoislady · September 8

Love is the great transformer, turning ambition into aspiration, selfishness into service, greed into gratitude, getting into giving and demands into dedication.

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