Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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Otter, I love the First American's poem, it is a keeper
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kitty,
I hope the riff with your DS heals without a scar. I had one with my DS that will most likely never heal. I love her and wish her well, but things will never be the same.
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kitty,
Thanks for the link from TED. (I love TED.) Let's all feel comfortable with the best of religion.
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Kitty, what a coincidence, am reading de Botton's Religion for Athiests right now! In fact I think I might have mentioned it on this thread several pages ago. Stormynyte, you might find what he has to say interesting as the author does not think there is any contradiction in 'using' some of the trappings of organised religion, without taking it completely on board, particularly the 'god' bit. He believes that the mysticism, the ritual, perhaps in yr case, the need to console your children with the idea of heaven, can ser ve very ueful purposes. In the case of my kids (now pretty much grown up, youngest at age 18, and all 3 non-believers, for want of a better word), to start with we didn't have them baptised, myself being a very very lapsed catholic, and my DH Jewish, but a totally convinced atheist, but having them brought up here, where religion is so much part of school and holidays, and everything people do, that later on we had them baptised and they also received their holy communion...I agonised endlessly about this, but then decided that religion plays such an important role in the life of children here, that they were feeling different and left out, and in fact were SO happy to feel that they were joining a community.. although I wasn't religious myself at that time, I didn't contradict things they were learning, and kept my thoughts to myself...gradually as they grew older they made up their own minds.. I don't feel at all hypocritical about this, as I don't when I go to church for a wedding or a funeral and take part in the prayers (no problem with my memory there...I easily remember all the prayers from my own childhood having gone to a convent school...drummed into me for life!). What I mean is that participating in church like this is a way for me to show my support for berieved friends, or delight in the case of weddings. I think what I am trying to say, Stormnyte, is that as others have said, as long as your children know they are loved, and feel this all around them, as I'm sure they do, nothing else matters. You do and say what you feel is best at the time, and it'll be the right thing I'm sure.
Thank you Notself, Otter, and everyone for those beautiful poems. I'm going to write them down to keep. Thanks also for reference to the Snow Leopard, which I've just checked out and which I shall definitely order. Still haven't uploaded my Venice pics....need my daughter to show me how, and it's NEVER the right time when I ask her...soon, soon, later she says and then I forget!
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Definitely plan to read The Snow Leopard. I've heard so much about it, but one of the books I just haven't gotten to, yet
Will do now. In Exile from the Land of Snows b John Avedon, is very different. Factual, about HHT Dalai Lama, how he was "found" - fascinating, and story of his early years in Tibet, and of course, exile in Darmasalha, India.0 -
Just passing through but thought I would pass on an excellent resource. The author is a professsor, Joseph M. Felser. Here is the link from AMAZON, which includes a "Look Inside". I also found the reviewers' comments helpful.
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Trickling - thanks for the link. Sounds like what I've been studying for years, in the works of Carl Jung, Marie von Franz, Helen Luke. Interesting this has become so, well, almost "mainstream" now.
Hope someone I know has the book - will look forward to reading it.
eta: from the blurb on the book
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Felser suggests that our obsession with "The End of the World" hides a repressed, healthy longing for reconciliation with our inner and outer worlds—with nature and our own natural spirituality. He urges us to recognize and act upon that longing. When we begin to listen to nature's voice and pay heed to our own dreams--including visions, intuitions, and instinctive promptings--the greatest revolution in all history will unfold. We can create a future of our own choosing, a beginning rather than an ending."
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Finally! My DD showed me what to do! Wonderful wonderful Venice which I visited last month..me and my friend drinking a very expensive coffee at Cafe Florian on St. Mark's square.(I'm on the right, tho my hair is now grey as no longer wearing my red wig!)
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Another interesting book about the Dalai Lama is Wind Between the Worlds, by Ford. He was in Tibet when DL was young and interested in radios.
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Maria - you look gorgeous - and I'll bet grey hair makes your eyes even MORE dramatic.
Such lovely pics of Venice - isn't it wonerderful to see a city on such a human scale - thank you SO much for sharing it with us.
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Sunflowers – The Jung thing you are studying, is that MBTI?
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Sunflowers thankyou
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Check your library systems, folks! If your local library doesn't have a book, they may be able to get it for you from elsewhere in their library system. BTW, the library is where I borrowed a copy of THE MYTH OF THE GREAT ENDING by Joseph M. Felser.
Maria_Malta thanks for the gondola "ride".
Some time ago, I bookmarked some beautiful furniture designs constructed from the sunken wood of Venice. Unfortunately, I see that the web site pages have changed. Here are 3 of the designs I was lucky enough to again find to share. Be sure to click where it says "more [views]"
On the link below, I would have use colored raw chunks of glass as inserts
http://www.architonic.com/pmsht/briciole-riva-1920/1115763
On the link below, be sure to click on the image to get to the "more" views.
http://www.architonic.com/pmsht/cornice-riva-1920/1115816
On the link below, I like the woods which show the most wear and tear in combination with the crinkled shiney steel.
http://www.architonic.com/pmgal/reflections-in-the-lagoon-riva-1920/1115820
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Trickling, After posting a link you must hit enter for the link to work on the board. I copied your links and hit enter so now they are active.
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On the link below, I would have use colored raw chunks of glass as inserts
http://www.architonic.com/pmsht/briciole-riva-1920/1115763
On the link below, be sure to click on the image to get to the "more" views.
http://www.architonic.com/pmsht/cornice-riva-1920/1115816
On the link below, I like the woods which show the most wear and tear in combination with the crinkled shiney steel.
http://www.architonic.com/pmgal/reflections-in-the-lagoon-riva-1920/1115820
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Trickling, After posting a link you must hit enter for the link to work on the board. I copied your links and hit enter so now they are active.
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On the link below, I would have use colored raw chunks of glass as inserts
http://www.architonic.com/pmsht/briciole-riva-1920/1115763
On the link below, be sure to click on the image to get to the "more" views.
http://www.architonic.com/pmsht/cornice-riva-1920/1115816
On the link below, I like the woods which show the most wear and tear in combination with the crinkled shiney steel.
http://www.architonic.com/pmgal/reflections-in-the-lagoon-riva-1920/1115820
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don't know what MBTI is? I've been reading, studying Jungian psychology for years....as part of a group for some of it, then independently
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Sunflowers – MBTI stands for Myer Briggs Type Indicator. It's a development of Jung's theory of psychological categories – there are lots of tests on the web and some companies use it to select people to hire. I find that when people (around me, that is) mention Jung, this is often what they mean. I think it describes people in an interesting way, though the system seems to have a bug or two.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator
(I know there is more to Jung than this, but I don't know a lot more.)
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Trickling, thanks for the links to those very interesting projects.. the use of old wood in combination with modern designs and materials reminded me of the photos of a photographer friend of mine who produces composite pictures of abstract shapes made up of the remnants of old fishing boats in their traditional colours of blue, green and red, but faded and scratched by salt and time.
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Ah, Mandala - yes, I know about the tests, they use one (small) aspect of Jung's work - "personality types." There's a pretty good book, for the general public, ifyou want to learn more about Jung's psychology, Man and His Symbols. Be sure to get the HARDCOVER edition, the paperback lacks pictures. Also, forget the masculine pronoun, was written years ago
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SunflowersMA,
Good point. How very sexist that for hundreds of years women had to listen to how "man created fire", "man created agriculture", "man created medicine". I remember what an eye opener it was when as a teenager someone on a science program mentioned "when humans created fire" and went on to describe how it was most likely women who first developed agriculture and medicine.
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Sunflowers--Have you seen the film A Dangerous Method? Jung is one of the main characters.0
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Kadia - well, I've heard of it - but know the "real" truthful story, so won't bother to see what the fictionalzed version is. Have had the honor, blessing, gift, of meeting several women ( in my younger days when living in Europe) who both trained with, and studied with Jung - prefer to get my information from them, and leave the fiction to those who want to make money by selling flims...
Marie-Louise von Franz, Helen Luke, Barbara Hannah, June Singer, all trusted sources for good information. Not to "negect" the men, Robert Johnson, James Hillman ( The Soul's Code), Edward Edinger, many, many more....
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Good afternoon all - this is my "smoke break" so to speak. When the library opens tomorrow I'm sure going to be helping them with their stastics for use when I order all the books you've mentioned.
Yesterday I spent all day in the Ottawa civic Hospital emergency, having had the rash from hell for maybe 6 month and my pharmacist finally told me to go where they can treat me. It was so civilized. The dr deemed me worth calling in the dermatology team, who finally showed up at the end of their day - the teacher dr. and his 2 residents, and I was treated to sitting right in oh how drs learn. Fascinating, as the dr scribbled all the alternatives and methods of arriving at a diagnosis onto the piece of paper you sit on on the examination table - next to my bum - then the residents tore that off to add to their notes and came back and did a biopsy. I'm just kinda hoping the rash from hell isn't related to arimidex. The dr who first saw me was so warm and kind, and he asked a fair bit about my bc dx and how I was doing and then he said, yes, my wife has bc too, but she's stage 4. And I thought - it's all a crap shoot - they probably have small children - so very sad, this lovely man.
Today I'm sending out in the mail a flannelette nightshirt (that's what I do) to a woman whose niece is pregnant, has 2 kids, is 36, has a very aggressive form of bc, and was told she had a 14% chance of living. I was thinking - Inflammatory? but the lady didn't know. So I have to hold the nightgown in my hands for a while to try to pass on some love and hope........to think that there is a god who has everybody's personal wishes at heart all at the same time is so ridiculous, as some of their wishes are the exact opposite of the others. But I do think personal intention matters - so I send along my "prayer" for her, invisibly, in her nightshirt, and it is my hope it brings her some happiness.
Just blabbing now will stop get back to sewing on buttons..
Flannelette
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Flannel
that is SO SO SO SO sweet of you. At age 36 - it's so often very agressive - just so sad, almost think it should be the other way around - we oldies should get the worst kind. IBC is difficult, so is 3N, and Her2NU++++, all seem to strike younger women more than older.
I adore my (very old, worn, well loved) Lanz Flannel Nightgowns - some are almost threadbare, but I still can't bear to throw them away. A dear friend's mom died last year, and one of his sisters used several of her favorite pieces of clothing, to make Lovies ( stuffed animals) for all her grandchildren. Hope your friend's niece finds the Miracle we all hope for her.
Hope the rash from hades goes back to where it belongs...
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Flan wrote: Today I'm sending out in the mail a flannelette nightshirt (that's what I do) to a woman whose niece is pregnant, has 2 kids, is 36, has a very aggressive form of bc, and was told she had a 14% chance of living.
So I have to hold the nightgown in my hands for a while to try to pass on some love and hope........
Wow .... you do something very cool! How very sweet! Now your screen name holds so much more meaning to me.
I hope your rash goes away very soon!!
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notself (Feb 28, 2012)
Thanks for making my links workable.
?? Should I edit out my original links and insert a "go to" directive to your posting ??
maria-malta (Feb 29, 2012)
Any chance some of the composite art works can be viewed on the Internet? They sound great!
PlantLover (Feb 29, 2012) and SunflowersMA (Feb 29, 2012)
I agree with your post re Flannel. Similarly, I hope SunflowersMA you pass on cherished good wishes to that sister who makes Lovies (stuffed animals) from favorite pieces of clothing.
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Flannette, what wonderful work you do. It is such a gift.
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Trickling,
Since my post immediately followed yours, I don't think you need to edit your post.
Flannelette, You are special.
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Flannel jammies, soft lovies, wow you ladies are so wonderful that even I can feel the warmth and love. Sure needed that. The big fight with my son and DIL is still hurting.
Will they ever grow up? Kitty 0 -
Flannelette...if that's blabbing then we could do with a lot more of it...warming words from a loving heart, thankyou.
Trickling, you can view some of my friend's work by typing in: Biography - patrickfenech.com where you will find his biography. Go into his gallery and click on Maritime Project 2002-10, 'New Eye Osiris', and you will see the photos I was referring to above.
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