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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Member Posts: 1,017
    edited August 2012

    I'll put my pennies on the rash.  At most, a teeeny, weeeny little "new" spot of something, really happy for the thoroughness of your treatment, left boob to right arm, naw, doesn't make any sense.  But damn, July 20, don't think there's that much we can do but not worry....if there's anything else that fits the cliche, easier said than done, I can't imagine it!

    On another thread, we're all singing "Oh, Canada"

  • flannelette
    flannelette Member Posts: 398
    edited July 2012

    What other thread is that??? sunflowers? and thanks  to all for your positively rash thoughts hahaha. CT scan on Monday. they asked it I'm claustrrophobic - well, not, but i do get though it by counting the number of bangs - had it once on my lower spine and it was about 500. My partner tried to have one, he pressed the panic button or otherwise screamed to get out, ran out of the building, and the staff ran after him asking if he needed an ambulance! no, but he shook all the way home.

    Arlene

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited July 2012

    My sister had to have Valium for an MRI.  Of course if one has never had an MRI or CT Scan, one doesn't know one needs Valium until it's too late. Surprised

    My local area hasn't had appreciable rain in over 3 months.  We have had temperatures over 100`F for 12 of the past 14 days.  The beautiful trees in the Ozark forest are starting to die.  Even the insects are thirsty. Some plants are dying from the heat even though I water.  This winter I am going to dig up the plants that really suffered in the heat and replace them.  Our growing zone is supposed to be 6/7 but I am going to look for plants that can do well to zone 8.

  • outfield
    outfield Member Posts: 235
    edited July 2012

    Oh, notself, all the trees in my neighborhood are slowly dying.  We have a big old male mulberry and big chunks of it have died back over the past two years.  It makes me feel maybe better as a homeowner but more sad in general to see that everyone else's trees here are doing the same thing.  Mimosas, for heaven's sake - they are tough as nails here (although not pesty).  Only the Desert Willows look like it's just another day at the office.  

    I want to water the mulberry, I want to save it - it shades the south-facing front of our house in summer, the kids climb in it, and it's just beautiful.  But here we are in the desert with things getting hotter and dryer all the time. 

  • flannelette
    flannelette Member Posts: 398
    edited July 2012

    Notself and Outfield - this is incredibly sad about your trees.What have we done? here, further north, and with more rain, the big trees - oak, maple, white pine, black walnuts are fine (so far as I can see) but little crabapples I planted last year - leaves curling. I might have to repalce them in the fall - which seems a better planting time, with maples, which seem to send down deep roots, fast. also very little rain. It sounds grim, makes me sad. To think that all who inhabit the forest are thirsty?  wouldn't you consider the trees are the lungs of our planet? we just dug a new well. The old one was 100'. this new  one, 200. Same as a neighbour up the road.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited July 2012

    Don't plant maples.  Maples love water and do not do well in drought.  I have several on my property and I know.  There isn't a large growing tree that does well in drought so if you have trees be prepared to water to keep them alive during a drought. 

    Water the edge of your trees on either side of the drip line.  You need to get the ground wet to about 18 inches below the surface.  That is the depth of the fine roots that take up water.  Once the soil is wet to that level, it doesn't take as much water to keep it from drying out.  I made the mistake of letting the soil get too dry and now I am playing catch up.  My water bill was out of sight last month and will probably be really high this month, but next month I should see some water usage go down because I will have caught up.

    We should have some relief from the heat this coming week.  Temperatures will be in the low 90's. We have a small chance of rain.

  • flannelette
    flannelette Member Posts: 398
    edited July 2012

    Mornin Notself - well, we have lots of sugar maples and other kinds here, and it's the usual one planted everywhere for shade. I planted one about 10' tall last fall, which is the best time for us, and this year it's doing beautifully - growing, fresh, - but I did make sure it's in a pit, when I planted I watered heavily every day for 2-3 weeks, and I mound all my tall grasses I rip out for mulch in a circle around it over the pit. But this is the land of sugar maples. and I'm pretty sure your drought is way worse that our "lack of rain". but my lilacs - every leaf is drooping - I guess shallow roots, thin soil in spots. We are on precambrian shield. don't know how that affects things. but tons of maples, oaks - white and red - white pine, hickories, black walnuts, locusts. i don't think we really have had a drought, not like I read about where forest fires get out of control.

    Our new crabappples are suffering mostly due to us - not looking after them carefully - my partner, who knows 0 about new trees, blithly mows the big huge riding mower right next to them, compacting the soil and flattening the pits. ok. I finally gave them all 3 full pails of water, re-dug the pits, and put down very thick cedar mulch, which I should have done in the first place!Then watered it heavily, too.

    I saw the most elegant tree - fagus purpurea - purple beech- at a store, and so want to buy it - but need to look it up on the net, if it's slow-growing, it's out.  Whoever lived here before did not get the concept of shade trees! so much deeply cooler than an awning over a deck!

    Have a great day

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited July 2012

    Good morning, flannelette,

    We have a motorized bagger attached to our riding mower in the autumn.  We mulch the leaves as they fall and put them around the oak trees.  Over the years we have restored the soil around the roots or the trees by the decay of these mulched leaves.  The previous property owner had always mowed at the lowest setting on a weekly basis and literally blew the top soil away.  My neighbor said, when he mowed, she had to close her windows because of the dust.

    It is my understanding that the sugar maples of New England are all under stress and we may eventually lose them.  I can't imagine not having real maple syrup on my pancakes.  That will be a sad day.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Member Posts: 1,017
    edited August 2012

    I can confirm sugar maples under stress in westsern MA  and one of the WORST cuplprits, esp. for those really old ones which are now near the sides of the roads, is the SALT used during the winter.  We had a terrible ice storm a few years ago, and many towns lost a huge amount of trees, especially those weak maples.

    You'll still get syrup, but another problem this year, was the sap starting running so early cuz it was so warm, AND, I learned they stop tapping as soon as the trees start to bud, cuz the sap runs bitter then, so it was s shortere than usual season, even tho it started earlier.

    I don't think the people who deny, or try to deny, climate change are aware of how it effects us in very basic, daily, ways. Sad.

    Flannnel - still thinking of you, and GOOD GOOD wishes for 7/20.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Member Posts: 1,017
    edited August 2012

    I can confirm sugar maples under stress in westsern MA  and one of the WORST cuplprits, esp. for those really old ones which are now near the sides of the roads, is the SALT used during the winter.  We had a terrible ice storm a few years ago, and many towns lost a huge amount of trees, especially those weak maples.

    You'll still get syrup, but another problem this year, was the sap starting running so early cuz it was so warm, AND, I learned they stop tapping as soon as the trees start to bud, cuz the sap runs bitter then, so it was s shortere than usual season, even tho it started earlier.

    I don't think the people who deny, or try to deny, climate change are aware of how it effects us in very basic, daily, ways. Sad.

    Flannnel - still thinking of you, and GOOD GOOD wishes for 7/20.

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 498
    edited July 2012

    Yep.  We are losing millions of acres of pines to pine beetles.  When it doesn't get cold enough for long enough the beetles don't die off over the winter and so they flourish.  Then of course the dead and dieing trees make excellent fuel for forest fires.

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 615
    edited July 2012

    Sometimes, when the weather is extreme, I become overwhelmed with sadness.  I envision where we are headed and it's just too much.  I feel that way when I think of the trees.  Or the bees.  Or the frogs.  I imagine a point of no return.  I imagine we have already passed that point.  How do I keep from falling into that dark place, without sticking my head in the sand?  Does anyone else face this and have a solution?  A plan?  A mechanism?

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 498
    edited July 2012

    The Earth has remarkable recuprative powers.  One massive volcano can undo all the warming that we humans may have caused.  It may take years for balance to be restored but restored it will be. It may not be great news for any people who live through it Surprised but the Earth herself will be fine. 

    That's the best I got.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited July 2012

    Cindyl,

    Yep, that's the best we got.  The only good news is humans are almost as resilient as cockroaches. Our species is unlikely to die out. I do go to the dark place when I think of the young people of may family.  They don't know what's coming but they and their children are going to have to deal with it.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Member Posts: 1,017
    edited August 2012

    CLC

    I understand, deeply, how you feel.  I lived in cities in several countries for years, and quite literally gave myself the "gift" of retiring to a very small town in western MA, because it is SO rural, and in many ways reminds me of the way small towns were in CT in the 1950's - where I grew up.  The difference, not having shopping malls, tall buildings near my little home, and living in the woods, literally - has brought me even closer to feeling how you do.

    I see the LACK of frogs, in ponds that used to teem with them. BUT, also feel as notself, cindyl have said, about the restorative powers of Mother Earth, Gaia, and without going into any detail about astrology ( cuz I don't know what I'm talking about) but am finding it healing to read what some astrologers are saying is happening during this time, astrologically.  Cardinal Cross, and many changes, hopefully healing, community understanding it really is a question of life or death, for all of us.

    I AM hopeful when I see what kids are learning in elementary schools around here, about local food production, making their own kitchen gardens at the schools, Alice Waters has been one of my heros for a long time.  Litttle glimmers of hope...

  • socallisa
    socallisa Member Posts: 10,184
    edited July 2012

    the earth has been going through sooooo many cycles over the millions of years...who knows what species is the next to be extinct or new ones popping up...ice ages killed many too along with warming ages..ocean fish fossils pop up in the crazies places so the many continents were once under water..maybe it it that time  once again...

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 4,860
    edited July 2012

    The good thing to remember (or keep in mind, or whatever) is that though we are killing ourselves (and probably not even all of us) we aren't really killing the earth.  It will heal.

  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 169
    edited July 2012

    I also think that the earth will survive us. And I'm not terribly upset that we as a species probably won't be here to see it. To me, we're just a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things. That's part of what fuels my lack of belief in a higher power. It all just seems like a fairy tale made up to keep us from being afraid of ending.

    It's like we're "too special" to end, both individually and as a species. I don't buy that. I think the world is a wonderful place and that most people are essentially good, but all things begin and all things end. I try to find peace in that.

    --CindyMN

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 615
    edited July 2012

    Thank you for all of your responses.  I, too, find the idea that the universe goes on comforting.   The first time that I heard of a supervolcano, I felt at peace because I knew there was a mechanism the earth had for starting again...a "reset" button.  Like notself, my dark place is when I think of my children, and those they will love and the suffering they will witness.  I do not think we are special.  But I do think we are us.  And as such I feel empathy for us.  It is impossible for me to detach from that.  And so, I go to the dark place.  The best shot I have for getting back out of it, or avoiding going in, is my tagline.  But, sometimes, that runs roughshod over the line to denial.

    It is my biggest conundrum in life, I think.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 4,860
    edited July 2012

    I've often wondered if the whole idea of life after death came because of seeing dead stuff (of all shapes and sizes) fertilizing new life. 

    I live not all that far from Mount St. Helens - and those of you who remember when it erupted and the devastation it caused - the death of so much plant and animal life - that area now is verdant and returning.  

    I've often thought of religion as a great idea that ran amok. Sealed

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Member Posts: 1,017
    edited August 2012

    tee, hee..."a great idea that ran amok" - best definition I've heard in a long, long, time.

    Gotta go google "super volcano" - so good to have teachers among us...

  • flannelette
    flannelette Member Posts: 398
    edited July 2012
    Hi all - I've been up to my eyeballs in work for the humane society - we're having a fundraiser cruise called the Fur Ball - a costume cruise party - and, anyway, just thought I'd take a break see what's up here - and stumble upon such eloquent thinking....ahhhh, so refreshing.....would add, the cats are so adaptable they would survive, too. have a great day allSmile
  • socallisa
    socallisa Member Posts: 10,184
    edited July 2012

    Flannelette..haven't heard from you, how are you doing?

  • flannelette
    flannelette Member Posts: 398
    edited July 2012

    Hi Lisa and thanks for asking...just got in from a broiling day doing a Dog Days event for our Humane - never again - fairly broiled but saved by strong wind off the river. Last night was the fur Ball river cruise and it was a blast! Just at the last minute 13 people from Mumbai, India stepped aboard as did a Lebanese family. we had a classic rock band playing on board and as we sailed up & down the St. Lawrence & into american water and we were all jumping around & dancing and singing old beatles songs I thought how unbelievably lucky we are to live in such beauty, on an international border without war, and all these nationalities dancing to and singing the same songs. All the Indain guys danced by themselves, just like the women, one ended up with a rubber alligator on his head and  my guy, who is bald ,had on gorilla hair. I went as abutterfly garden, I think. whatever I could get at dollarama in 10 minutes.

    but tomottow the tests begin. Breast MRI on a Sunday morning at 9am? apparently they're lumping all the breast MRIs together excuse the awful pun. Monday CT scan of abdomen & pelvis. wed bone scan. Fri excisional biospy with pathologist standing by to do the dissections right then.

     But yesterday I saw the dermatologist who also said the whole lymph cell angst could be from the neurodermatitis, of which I stll have the remnants like the stubs of mountains, hard as rock,which I sometimes try to file off wth a raspy pedicure tool. Dr gave me non-steroidal antiinflammatory cream for hands & feet which now have some sort of exzema from, I believe, thinnned skin from the steroid creams of winter. Never a dull moment. Tongue out

    if this turns out to be a metastasis at least I can say I didn't waste my time worrying in advance! very unusual for me...if this is denial, it's a very useful tool

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 615
    edited July 2012

    Flannelette...I am wishing you all of the best as you take on this week!  I will be thinking of you (and I have been thinking of you often)...  Claire

  • socallisa
    socallisa Member Posts: 10,184
    edited July 2012

    Flannelette, you really have a week ahead of you...sending hugs

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited July 2012

    flannelette,

    You are in my thoughts every day.

  • wren44
    wren44 Member Posts: 7,967
    edited July 2012

    Flannelette, You will be in my thoughts all week. Here's hoping for a simple, inocuous reason for the fuss. ((((HUGS))))

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Member Posts: 1,017
    edited August 2012

    Another vote for a simple explanation, that means B9, please carry all our good wishes, HUGS, good vibes, and HOPE with you through out the week.

    A butterfly garden...how lovely.  

  • river_rat
    river_rat Member Posts: 317
    edited July 2012

    Flannette, I just wanted to add my voice to those sending good wishes, hopes and vibes your way.