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  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 471

    Thanks Luan and all.

  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 4,503

    I was told the same as petjunkie-Soy in normal diet is OK but do not add soy supplements to our diet.

  • Monty
    Monty Member Posts: 146

    I was told no soy products or flax seed due to hormone issues.  The same day  I was told this my very good friend sent my a huge packet of flax seed as she had been told it was good for those with breast cancer, I felt so bad when I had to tell Thanks but No Thanks.

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 2,007

    I was told no soy foods but if I am in a chinese resturant and tofu is in the dish I am going to enjoy it anyway.But I no longer cook with it at home like I used to.

  • river_rat
    river_rat Member Posts: 317

    I was told to avoid soy but not to drive myself crazy, a little wouldn't hurt.  I have noticed that when I eat soy the remaining breast tissue that I have feels tender just as my breasts used to do every menstrual cycle.  This seems odd because I had a total hysterectomy and BMX.  Anybody else notice that?

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 2,007

    Had my bmx in 08 and still have alot of tenderness all along the ribcage especially under my scars,and under my arms.

  • river_rat
    river_rat Member Posts: 317

    My bmx was in 2006 and I get chest tenderness simply because of not having any padding to protect from bumps and such but this tenderness that I was speaking about is just like the hormonal tenderness I used to get before my periods.  I don't have ovaries and I'm too skinny for my fat to be making a lot of estrogen so it just seems weird to me.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Heloooooooo, since I started  a controversy about fish oil and flax seed oil . I did a search, since i have only half a brain left. I suggest each do a search of anything i am about to say.

    They amount of soy emulsifier in the flax seed oil or fish oil I take is small. For me it's a trade off.

    There are three essential fatty acids that the body can not produce. Omega 3-6-9 we get it from our diets. Since processed foods began in the early part of the 1900's. We have had a decrease in Omega 3 with a substantial increase in 6, not much is known about 9. omega 6 is responsible for about 30 prostagladins in the body. Lets say half are good half are bad.

    OMEGA 3 is analogous to the cavalry. It comes in and really takes care of the bad things that 6 does. Since 96, I have been a big supporter of 3, there were a couple of years I got lazy.  But when everyone jumped on it I figured , it's time for a re look. It's not the Omegas, it's the additives. Bingo------soy lecithin---emulsifier. 

    Flax seed has been recognised for having healthful effects for 5000 years. Fish oil was recognized in the 70's because of the low cancer, heart disease in certain population groups i.e. Japanese and Inuit Alaskans that had a diet high in certain fish. Much research proceeded on fish oil. Little on Flax. In the beginning of 96, I would not take fish oil because no one certified that it was contaminated free. Our seas our contaminated. I only bought organic flax seed oil. Now Barleans and Bluebonnet manufacturers are certified on the fish oil-------But still contain soy lecthicin as an emulsifier-----small amount.

    Challenging questions 1 There are three essential fatty acids that the body cannot produce ---we have to get them from our diet. 2 the ratio of 3 to 6 has dramatically changed in the last 120 years. 3. Omega3 is the one that has been most depleted from our diet in that time. 4 Do a study of what Omega 3 can offer to your health.

    What I call the bible in this study is expensive about 50$-------THE FATS THAT HEAL AND THE FATS THAT KILL by UDO IRASMUS--------in the forward he tells you how to read the book . This is very important as he is a PHD Chemist. The first chapter will drown you. He states he did it intentionally, to make known to pHD people this was serious science. Then he guides you to what chapters if you are looking for certain info.  I will not back off the importance of OMEGA3 in our diet. I may surmise(actually I know) why I got cancer--not you me , but just as everyone here decries peoples stupidity for asking, I'll leave it go for future generations to figure out. One thing I will stand In Front of is Omega 3, unadulterated, will only lend towards your health.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,786

    if you eat an oily fish twice weekly, you can get your needed omegas without having to take a suppliment

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 7,605

    Or use eggs that are injected with it?

  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 4,503

    I have taken fish oil for years as high cholesterol runs in my family.  My overall has always been high but my good is really high and my bad is low so keeps the Dr's happy.  I don't really know if it is the fish oil or just my body, but I think I will keep taking it.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Member Posts: 323

    sas-schatzi - nobody disputes the importance of Omega 3.  I religiously take mine every day for its multiple health benefits. 

    However, omega 3 from fish oil is not phytoestrogenic while flax seeds and oil are and because phytoestrogenics are counter-indicated in ER positive breast cancer, thereby the issue of flax. 

    The fish oil supplement has to come from small fish, i.e. sardines, anchovies, etc. as they are lower in the food chain and therefore less contaminated (the company I buy from states that their supplement has been tested and is free from any chemical), should be kept refrigerated and vitamin E - which is an antioxydant - should be added to keep it from going rancid.  No need for soy or flax seed to be added to fish oil.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 7,605

    It's all so bloody confusing!!! Arghhhhhhhh. I wish someone could just say do this and do that. Final.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Member Posts: 323

    LoL, Barbe, take your fish oil for its cardiovascular, antidepressant, etc. benefits but, if you are estrogen positive, don't touch flax or soy until further notice  Smile

    I can't imagine anyone touching soy with a 10-foot pole given that more than 83% of it is GMO !

  • river_rat
    river_rat Member Posts: 317

    I ground flax seed on my cereal/or took flax seed oil for several years before my breast cancer diagnosis.  I know that doesn't mean it had anything to do with the breast cancer but I'm afraid to take the risk.  I do eat sardines and salmon on a regular basis though and am thinking of taking fish oil.  During chemo and for a couple of years after I was on blood thinners and couldn't take fish oil so I just haven't thought of it until now.

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 471

    My Nature Made Fish Oil contains soy...oy

  • river_rat
    river_rat Member Posts: 317

    Wenweb, thanks for the warning.  I will read the labels carefully.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    It's only one day .but that why I no longer work. There is a difference between flax seed and the oil---use that as a search term. If I am up to it I will try to and hyperlink it here--no promises.

    Once there became a certified fishoil , i swithched from flax oil. Because of the liver, flax has to be changed in the liver to another drug. Some people lack this ability, So, when fishoil was certified contaminate free--I switched.

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 192

    What is GMO?

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 2,701

    Cyborg, GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism (or no longer natural) -- seeds that have been modified to make crops grow bigger, faster, as well as incorporating herbicides & pesticides to make them disease-resistant.   Deanna

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 2,007

    Hate to say it because seafood is our bussiness but some fish on the market is from Farms(GMO)Always ask  your fish monger.I would not be suprised if the fish oil capsules weremade from these fish.This is why you should buy fish from a fish market not your local grocery store. I hate the lack of proper regulation on supplements.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 3,696

    Annekreamer

    In the 1990s, Anne Kreamer was worldwide creative director for Nickelodeon and Nick at Night. Her experiences there -- including getting yelled at by Sumner Redstone -- helped set up some of the questions she asked in researching her new book, "It's Always Personal: Emotion in the New Workplace."

    Kreamer will be at the Festival of Books on Sunday on the 2 p.m. panel, "Finding Life in the Workplace." She answered Jacket Copy's questions via email.

    Jacket Copy: Your book looks at the emotion of the workplace by combining statistical research with what we know about the chemistry of the human brain and body. That seems very... unemotional. Can you tell us a little bit about your approach?

    Anne Kreamer: My interest in the subject of emotion in the workplace crept up on me, starting from a very personal point of view, then growing in gradual concentric circles to include statistical research and neuroscience.  A few years ago I was chatting with my former colleague, Sara Levinson, who has been a top executive within both deeply male (MTV, the NFL) and deeply female (ClubMom, the women's group at Rodale publishing) professional environments. She asked me a funny question: Did I know any woman who had never cried at work? While I'd obviously never conducted a crying-on-the-job poll of my friends, I realized that no, I probably didn't. And certainly I had cried, years earlier, when I was a senior vice president at Viacom's Nickelodeon and my uber-boss, Sumner Redstone, called me for the first time -- and screamed at me.

    With that one cocktail-party question, I set off on a two-year journey exploring emotion - negative emotions, positive emotions, all emotions -- in the modern workplace. I started by conducting informal interviews with former colleagues and friends, which then led me to widen my scope to include hundreds of working Americans on a cross-country tour.  I talked to neuroscientists and psychiatrists and psychologists and organizational scholars, but I realized that I also wanted some kind of quantitative baseline, a statistically valid national portrait of emotion on the job, to provide a context for my one-on-one interview findings.

    After delving deeper into the relevant literature, I discovered that while there are myriad studies looking at emotion, nearly all were conducted by psychologists or neurobiologists in small, controlled laboratory experiments. Conversely, there were broad anecdotal digests compiled by consultants or social scientists that focused primarily on the skills that might help people to control their problematic emotions. The experimental studies were limited and highly artificial, removed from the multidimensional complexity of actual life at work. And the anecdotal studies tended to lack useful depth. There was nothing I could find that really nailed a basic question: How do Americans experience and express emotions at work these days?

    I knew that the kind of research I was interested in would require a substantial commitment of resources, both human and financial, and it occurred to me that one logical place to turn for help would be an advertising agency. After all, agencies and their research departments are in the business of gathering information about regular people's attitudes and behaviors, and then microscopically dissecting that data to make it illuminating and useful -- which seemed similar to what I was hoping to do with people's real-life experiences of emotions at work. So I convinced the giant ad agency J. Walter Thompson to partner with me and conduct two national surveys.

    Grounding myself in the statistical and scientific allowed me to toggle back and forth between the insights I gained from my own professional experiences and individual interviews and establish fresh connections and understandings of how emotions drive work and vice-versa.

    JC: Is it really all right to cry at work?

    AK: The short answer is yes.  But tears at work are  also a bit like Goldilocks and the Three Bears -- one can cry too much or  too little -- there is an optimum level where tears communicate  compassion and empathy.  Two big findings came out of my two national  surveys.  One is that people - women and men -- at all levels  of management reported that they had cried at work during the past year.   This flies in the face of the conventional wisdom that people who cry  cannot achieve top management positions.  Another fascinating insight  was that people who reported crying at work also reported that they were  not unhappy in their jobs.  Crying was something that happened every  once in a while and was just not a big deal for them.  I suggest that  tears are our natural emotional reset button - increasing our dopamine  production, thereby helping to return our bodies to equilibrium - but  they are also something akin to the warning lights on our car  dashboards.  You should pay attention to them - they are a signal  communicating that something may be not quite right under the hood.  There are many, many different kinds of tears - those of happiness,  sadness, anger, frustration, pain, and joy and it's important, as with  warning lights on the dashboard, to figure out which kind you are  experiencing and then understand what they are telling you - are you  overwhelmed, underappreciated, angry?  Then figure out how you want to  address those issues. In the book I offer a variety of strategies for  how one can do that.

    JC: Why do you think we've developed the idea that the workplace should be emotion-free?

    AK: Without getting too heavy, this is a notion that goes back to the portrait Plato presented in "Phaedrus" of the battle our souls endure between reason -- depicted as a white horse, "upright and clean-limbed" -- and passion, which Plato depicts as a very different kind of horse, "with thick short neck, black skin ... hot-blooded, consorting with wantonness and vainglory ... hard to control."  Bad things were done to us by our emotions.  We made good things happen for us through the discipline of reason.

    This POV got reinforced during the 17th century when Rene "I think therefore I am" Descartes imposed a mathematical rigor on the exploration of human knowledge and emphatically reargued the case for reason being the ultimate, refined tool that people have for properly shaping the world.  With the Industrial Revolution the factory became the paradigmatic workplace, and ever-larger factories became a manifestation of modern hyper-rationality.  Divisions of labor, interchangeable parts, organizational charts, timetables and business schools made factories -- and then offices -- into temples of strict rationalism.

    My book tries to illustrate that it is a presumed rationality and a frequently fake, superficial ultrarationality.  Through the work of neuroscientists like Antonio D'Amasio, now the head of USC's Brain and Creativity Institute, we now know that emotions are as essential to rational behavior as our strictly cognitive brain functions.  You literally can't successfully have one without the other.

    I'm suggesting in "It's Always Personal" that at a moment in time where the distinction between work and home life has never been fuzzier and where the 24/7 permeable membrane between where we feel and where we work has been obliterated, it is time to rethink this outdated perspective.
















     






  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 3,696

    For those of you who haven't been following this loooooong thread....Anne Kreamer is the author of Going Gray.  Her latest book, has just been published....Guess who's going to be very busy reading.....

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Grey haired---------hmmmmmmm-Love it wouldn't change it-------has all the wonderful shades. AND is healthy. Was never healthy like this when I was color of the month. Gray for along time was not acceptable . I believe the boomers will embrass it, not be embarrassed by it.

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 166

    She's lovely. I like the theme of her book as well. Thanks for posting. Now, if my skin were unlined like hers, I'd rock the gray hair too!  I have no idea what her age is, but I am 41, and my skin is not on the road to looking quite as nice as hers (ahem, without the aid of some plastic surgery, that is)!

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 471

    Botox!!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 3,696

    Wenweb...I met her in person.  It's her genes!  Plus...she's married to Kurt Anderson! 

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 471

    Not too shabby. 

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 192

    Hey, girls .

    I was/am prepared to lose my hair bit I was reAding on other threads about permanent hair loss and also permanent hair loss after hormonal therapy. What are your experiences.

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 471
    Cyborg Arimidex for 14 months, and now on Tamoxifen with no effects on my hair whatsoever.