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  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 1,767
    edited September 2012

    Mini1

    and according to Dr OZ, it should be warm water!

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 677
    edited September 2012

    I add half a lemon whenever I juice.

     I know a woman who squeezes a lemon in a glass of water every day; no sugar added---She claims it is wonderful for the skin--

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,309
    edited September 2012

    Yes. Lukewarm to hot water works best.

  • Layla2525
    Layla2525 Member Posts: 465
    edited September 2012

    Mini1,you are so right about the lemon,Dr Oz and Jackie Warner both recommend it.

    Yep,Purple32, a very old oncologist who has been treating bc all his lifes practice and only wants to use Tamox and Arimi told me that mine was very early and unlikely in his exper and opinion to come back especi since I did the bmx but I did have a skin sparer and am having trouble staying away from the booze to cope with all this. My fiance and I used to have an occasional wine or beer but since this came up we are drinking on wkends and nights. I am a worrier.

    Lauryn, I got the Pectosol from Life Extension and the turmeric I have was in the Protandim which was given to me by my PS.

    You could probably get the books at a good price off Amazon. I am not sure about ordering other thgs off there tho,I have ordered other items beside books and one skin tightener I could swear they watered it down. Some chk cutlets aka nu bra was very thin and made in China! Questionable.

  • Bluebird-DE
    Bluebird-DE Member Posts: 1,233
    edited September 2012

    The Protandim is good stuff Layla, but you can use more tumeric too.  I also take extract and some powder. 

    Been on endo's stuff for over one week, have hot flashes sometimes now, never used to so things are getting activated.  It will al lsettle down soon, my body is just not accustomed to the right hormones, I have been hypothyroid since a child, gradually worse tothe point of what they said was CHF but wasn't, still I almost died from it.  So not I have hormones and t-3 and T-4 to boot.  We shall see. 

    LOVEEssa

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 1,767
    edited October 2012

    this. My fiance and I used to have an occasional wine or beer but since this came up we are drinking on wkends and nights. I am a worrier.

    Oh well.

    Everyone has their adjustment period, but they claim drinking is a NO NO for BC so it might concern me more for recurrence.

    Maybe you should consider asking for   your DR for something to take the edge off , instead (?)

    Peace.

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 677
    edited October 2012

    Aren't grapes supposed to be good for you? I also know wine is good for your heart. My dad had a couple of glasses of wine his whole life and lived to be 93.

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,309
    edited October 2012

    Grapes yes, alcohol no. More than one 4 ounce glass of wine for a woman and 2 for a man is considered excessive and unhealthy for those with BC or a number of other conditions; especially those involving the pancreas, gall bladder and liver. I take resveratol (sp?) to get the benefit of the grapes w/o the alcohol.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 1,767
    edited October 2012

    RED grapes are said to be best..I eat them daily.

  • Summer_Girl
    Summer_Girl Member Posts: 25
    edited October 2012

    Question for Mini 1, you said "More than one 4 ounce glass of wine for a woman"   Is that per day or per week.  Heck, I have been having one about every three months, but maybe one a week isn't so bad 

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,309
    edited October 2012

    It was per day. I have a drink every now and again, too. It was more the daily consumption and the binge drinking that was an issue. I don't know what tips the scale from healthy to unhealthy between one and two glasses, but then again, I don't understand why white and green tea are good and black should be avoided, or why grapeseed and canola oil are good and safflower oil should be avoided either. Just once I'd like something to be simple with this disease.

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 677
    edited October 2012

    What! Black tea is bad? That's all I drink as I'm on a  blood thinner and can't havr green tea.

    I just can't worry about everything I eat or drink. It is just too exhausting. I eat healthy stuff; no animal products, lots of veggies and fruit, beans, rice, etc with a few oatmeal cookies now and then.

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,309
    edited October 2012

    I just read it on a things to avoid list. I've been drinking it too. Now I'm drinking white instead, which they say is actually better than green. Who knew? I just bought some safflower oil because that is supposed to be better than other oils and you can cook with it at a higher temp which you can't do with a lot of oils and that is on several bad for BC lists, but it's good for everyone else.Go figure.

    I try not to obsess, but still be mindful of what I eat and drink. I eat healthfully too, but I have a soda now and then. I'm gluten-free so I have to be more careful with the label reading. You'd be surprised the things I find it in. I eat very little packaged food. It just makes things easier. Sometimes if I find a packaged food that is ok, I will try it. If I like it than I learn how to make it from scratch. I'm not a big cook, so I keep things simple with mostly fruit, salads, roasted veggies, a little HF, organic chicken and sometimes a little HF, grass fed beef.I also do HF, organic eggs and yogurt and some cheese, and oatmeal mostly for my grains, since I can no longer have wheat (which along with corn has now been genetically altered, btw).

    The problem now is they put in so many ingredients in our food now that are actually just chemicals. Dr. Oz says if you want to have an occational piece of bacon, you're better off having that than turkey bacon. Turkey bacon isn't even real. You're better off eating an occaional piece of the real thing. Hormel, I think it is, makes a nitrate free one now. And butter substitutes are terrible. I Can't Believe It's Not Butter is one molecule away from being plastic, Real butter in moderation is better choice.

    I have a simple rule for my "fresh" food. If it doesn't spoil, rot, or sprout, I don't eat it. Because if it doesn't, it means it's full of prservatives and/or chemial waxes, both of which are bad for anyone, with or without cancer. Don't believe me? Buy a McDonalds hamburger and leave it out. The bun may get hard as a brick, and the lettuce brown, but that burger will never smell or turn green.

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 677
    edited October 2012

    Interesting post Mini---how about oatmeal, rice, beans etc. They don't rot do they?

    This morning while channel surfing I saw a segment on what kind of meat to buy. They said if it is not red it is not fresh. The funny/sad part is, the meat is "sprayed" to make it look red. If they didn't do that, it would look so unappealing nobody would buy it. Of course that wasn't mentioned!!

    My mother was a vegetarian as was my grandmother, but they weren't vegans. But back then, it was safe to eat dairy products as they weren't so full of hormones they give to the cows. I do miss eggs and wish I could find someone who had chickens! 

  • CousinItt
    CousinItt Member Posts: 11
    edited October 2012

    Hello again ladies.  Been busy with work which was slow while I was on chemo.  I have been doing all my searches (BC related) on Google scholar.  I love my black tea and was saddened to find that black tea increases the amount of circulating estrogen.  It was found to be more of a risk factor if you drank 2 or more cups per day.  So I cut down to one and please don't disturb while I'm enjoying it.  Of course, I was drinking only one cup prior to Dx; it was a 52 oz. cup.  I believe it's an 8 oz. cup that they're talking about.

    Turkey tail mushroom has many anti-cancer benefits, particularly BC. I read some about it while I was taking chemo and my normal excellent memory has failed me.  I will have to re-read when I get some time.  

    If you are post-menopause, you are producing very little estrogen and no progesterone.  Most of your estrogen will be produced in the adrenal glands and it is stored in body fat.  Your post menopausal ovaries are not producing estrogen.  Vicious circle here:  after menopause, you tend to get a higher % of body fat due to loss of estrogen.  Losing estrogen also decreases bone and muscle mass (your heart is a muscle).  It leads to cataracts and some vision loss.  Severe estrogen loss exacerbates these other losses.  The effects are worse if you're thin with low body fat.

    Black cohosh can cause liver issues.  Use with caution.

    While on chemo, you are better off with a carnivorous diet  as you need the protein and cholesterol to build new cells.  Cholesterol is a component of cell walls/membranes; highly desirable in this case.

    That's it for now.

    Kathleen

  • Soyaandpepper
    Soyaandpepper Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2012

    Hi ladies, was just watching the movie Hungry for change and its really good. It basically saying that we are not eating REAL food anymore but just products that made to taste like food. Anything processed and packaged and being sold in the supermarket is NOT good. So eat fresh food and veg!

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,309
    edited October 2012

    Dogsandjogs - I was talking about fresh food. Fruits and veggies. I do rice, beans and oatmeal. Although only rice from CA. Never from Texas, Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisana. I also wash it and let it dry to reduce the amount of arsenic on it.

    I am small, thin and have vrtually no body fat. Post-menopausal (in my 50's). I fight to stay at 3 digits. I would love to have some bread and other gluten filled treats to help keep the weight on but it makes me sick, so keeping the weight on is a constant challenge. I also have osteoporosis and limited treatment options, so I try to eat as best I can for my bones. I have conditons that have opposite treatment options. What's good for one is bad for the others. It's a constant balancing job.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,292
    edited October 2012

    Mini,

    Have you tried gluten free baked good? My daughter has Celiac's so we've tried them all. Prefer Rudy's or Udi's brands. They re available at Whole Foods and sometimes other retailers. Pricey but we often find on line coupons and if you "like" them on Facebook, they send you offers too.

    Caryn

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,309
    edited October 2012

    I did try Udi's bagels and they were good. I can't find them where I live, but do try to get some when I'm near a Whole Foods. I also found a decent pizza crust if you roll it out thin. I'm not familiar with Rudy's. Red Mill has a few things. I found one cinammon bread that wasn't bad toasted, but not plain. I would love a burger with a bun or some bread to dip in oil with pasta. The GF pasta isn't bad; just expensive-$5 for what I could get for $.99. Although they are getting more and more GF stuff. I never thought about FB.

    I just read that more people are having gluten issues because they have genetically altered wheat. I can at least understand the reasoning behind, say tomatoes-they don't travel well and need to stay more firm (not that I agree) to get them form east to west, but why change wheat? For what purpose? It doesn't rot or get squishy in travel. What's the point?

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,292
    edited October 2012

    Greater crop yield? Disease resistance? Some uneducated guesses as I have no knowledge of commercial farming. Either Rudy's or Udi's makes very good hamburger buns. I like Trader Joes gf pasta.

    Caryn

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 2,701
    edited October 2012

    FYI, Mini, I just learned a few days ago that Udi's has a new gluten-free baguette. I hope it tastes as good as it looks, because I've also really missed bread with olive oil & balsamic:  http://udisglutenfree.com/2012/09/13/5-ideas-for-using-udis-new-gluten-free-baguettes/

    Mini -- or anyone else -- what pizza dough do you like? 

    I agree on the GF pasta -- the Trader Joe's brown rice one is good.  But beware of gluten-free ravioli @ Sprouts.  Sorry, I forget the brand name, but it was awful -- fell apart in the water and the texture was very mushy with less than the min. recommended cooking time.  Really disappointing.     Deanna

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,292
    edited October 2012

    There is a bakery, flour chylde, that sells it's goods at my favorite farmer's market. Cakes and pastries all gf and divine tasting. Yes, I know, sugar...but a most worthy occasional treat.

    Caryn

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 979
    edited October 2012

    Sorry girls if I caused confusion when I posted last week or so that if cancer comes back,it would be stage IV. It was because I had BMX so my thought process was that it wouldn't be recurrence since the breast tissue is gone now. (Hope my thinking makes sense.)

  • graced
    graced Member Posts: 22
    edited October 2012

    Food for Life makes really good sprouted bread and english muffins.  They have a whole line of gluten free products too but I have not tried them yet.  But their regular products are great - organic, sprouted grains, high protein & fiber, low glycemic.  Foodforlife.com shows all their products and nutritional info.  In my area, Trader Joe sells their bread fresh and Whole Foods sells their bread and muffins frozen.

    I too am a black tea drinker.  I have tried many kinds of green tea in all different varieties but can't warm up to it.  I take green tea supplements.  Black tea however is one of those that has a lot of conflicting data on it.  If you do a google search with the terms "black tea" "breast cancer", every other link is to a study or an article - one saying it is protective against BC, one saying the opposite.  From what I've read, it seems more reasonable that it would be protective against it.  Susun Weed recommends it during radiation as it has protective qualities.  Of course, organic would be preferable here too.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 1,767
    edited October 2012

    As for obsessiong./not pointing to anyone ( maybe me ?) OR saying it is bad, but I disagree. I think this level of thought process IS obsessing as compared to ' the normal " out there (The healthy ppl who havent had a  thing wrong with them)
    To me, it is obsessing, but I just think we HAVE to .... I mean its not they are are crazy obsessed/ careful obsessed.

    JMO

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,292
    edited October 2012

    Beckers,

    You can have a local recurrence or even a new primary , chest wall, skin etc., even if you have had a mx. Doesn't happen often but can. Think of stage IV as distant spread. i.e. other organs and bones.

    Caryn

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 979
    edited October 2012

    Thank you Caryn. :-)

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,309
    edited October 2012

    Exbmxgrl - You're probably right. It is dollar driven, I'm sure.

    Purple - I think there is a fine line between educating and obsessing. Right now, I am in still in educational mode. I spent a lot of years mindlessly putting food in my mouth. I actually started my research after having pancreatitis and finding out about my gluten-intolerence. It wasn't a matter of whether or not I might get cancer, it was a matter of finding what I could eat, period; besides broth. I think think we all need to be educated. I think that will be key in the prevention of all types of cancer. Look at DDT. Dupont new it was a carcinagen when they produced and marketed it, and would have continued to use it if it were not for consumer education and demands that forced the government to outlaw it.

    Dlb -I can't remember the name of the pizza crust. I'll have to post it when I buy more. I make it all up and freeze it, so I don't have the box. I can tell you it's a green and white box, but that's about it.

    Thanks all for the good ideas for products above. I just got a new job at a company that procures ingredients for organic bakeries. I'm looking forward to learning a lot more about what's available. Although, just once I'd like to see that french fries or chocolate milk shakes are good for cancer. :-) I keep trying to like tea, but blechhh. Although I did try a blueberry tea at Teavana that was excellent.

    My mom was huge tea drinker all her life. She never weighed more than 100lbs unless she was pregnant, took no hormones of any kind, had kids in her twenties and thirties, had a hysterectomy, didn't drink, and had virtually no other high risk behaviors or conditons except for being a woman and getting older. She got breast cancer in her early sixties. I think my other health problems, HRT and high stress levels brought mine on a decade sooner than it likely would have. When all is said and done, I think it's just one big genetic/environmental crapshoot.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 1,767
    edited October 2012
    I think there is a fine line between educating and obsessing. Right now, I am in still in educational mode. I spent a lot of years mindlessly putting food in my mouth."

    You may be right, mini.  My observation was based on what I believe the avg. " healthy" person without cancer on their mind might perceive.
  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,309
    edited October 2012

    Purple - Sadly, you're probably right. People think that if they're not sick now they never will be. Or worse, they make ignorant comments that they'd rather die than live without... whatever. If our food was grown and processed like it used to be there would be less of an issue, but unfortunately with our fruits and vegetables contaminated with pesticides, animals filled with hormones and antibiotics, fish filled with mercury  and our grains genetically altered, it's everybody's issue, not just those of us with cancer or other health issues.