Treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally
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Aromath, you asked this: "2. Does baking soda interfere with your stomach acidity, does not slow down the digestion? or do you avoid certain food, like meat, soy, or flax seeds, caffeine, certain foods or fruits that are to acidic....etc."
My answer to that is that it did do that to me. I already have low stomach acid, as evidenced by the fact that I have trouble digesting red meat, but baking soda will def depress it further--at least temporarily. I find it much better to have raw apple cider vinegar in water and at least a lemon a day, which are both acid but will alkalinize the system.
Also, this is interesting, but I had not sworn off meat--eat it whenever I can tho try to avoid charbroiled lol, b/c I feel like I need the protein. But lately I just haven't felt like eating it at all and it sounds almost revolting at the moment. I'm trying to work thru this intuitively so I haven't eaten any, but wondering about that.
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Piper............
Have you tried eating pineapple? This has something in it, is it Bromelise? It's certainly something with a "B" that digests meat. Might help.
Aromath
I have been told to not drink the Bi-Carb near food for that very reason. Just before bed is a good time, and if you want an additional one have it mid am or mid pm in-between meals.
I have also been told to take it 2 weeks on and then 2 weeks off. All this info from a cancer nutritionist.
She also said that there are so many differing protocols when it comes to bi-carb, you need to do what feels best to you. I made these enquiries as a direct result of the posts on this site :-)
Hugs to you all
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Hi Aromath,
Our stats are very similar! I had my lumpectomy on May 15, 2014, I noticed a small lump in the same area in late September, (135 days after lumpectomy). I was thinking that the new lump that I felt was scar tissue also. It bothered me though because I refused radiation therapy and also had read in an article that tumor cells double every 120-150 days. My margins were all negative except my lateral margin which was "atypical" meaning non-cancerous. So my thoughts were that maybe a piece of the tumor had broken off when I was first biopsied or that the non-cancerous lateral margin area turn cancerous. All that I know is when the outside scar began to soften up (approximately 8 weeks after the lumpectomy), I was then able to gently feel the area where the tumor removed had been. And when I felt another hard lump in the same area of the removed tumor, I figured that I had better get it checked out. And when I called my surgeons office at Sloan Kettering in NY and discussed the lump with the nurse, we discussed the possibility that it could be scar tissue but concluded that it needed to be checked out either way. I could have it checked out in my home town or fly to New York and have it checked out there. The wisest thing for me to do was have the lump checked out in my home town, and if the lump proved to be a malignant tumor, then fly to NY to have the tumor removed by the same surgeon who remove the first tumor. I then saw my family doctor who felt the lump recommending that I have an ultrasound and biopsy done. I have the picture of what the tumor looked from the ultrasound. To me it looked like whatever it was, it was beginning to dissolve.
1.) From everything I've read so far you can take the baking soda and water regime at any time day or night. Some people need taking it twice a day to stay alkaline. I notice that I start becoming acidic again after 15-20 hours. Taking it twice a day is too much for me. I'd say that I'm taking it about every 18-20 hours.
I'm happy to hear that you're now alkaline and in the 7-8 range. Before taking the baking soda and water regimen, were you surprised to see that your PH balance was acidic at a 3-4 range ? I'm going to be curious to know if your scar tissue disappears in six weeks. And if it does, then what I had could also have been scar tissue. You've got to let me know. Six weeks will be around the end of January. In the meantime I'll have you in my prayers. I can't wait to find out!
2.) I'm not sure if taking the baking soda interferes with my stomach acid or not. It instantly helps anyone who's suffering from heartburn though. The first day that I took the Baking Soda and water regime, within minutes afterwards I had two episodes of diarrhea over a five to ten minute period of time. I never had problem after that.
I had several bouts of diverticulitis over the past two years resulting in days spent in the hospital undergoing antibiotic drips. I believe that all the antibiotics destroyed the good bacteria in my intestines. Since the diverticulitis attacks, I have allergies to gluten and other food products. I've changed my eating, I now eat mostly organic fruits and vegetables and meat once and awhile. I changed all my make up, shampoo and conditioners to certified organic. I replaced all the foods in my pantry with certified organic foods, non-GMO. I purchased a water filtering system and drink only clean fresh water. I wash my clothes with a magnet laundering system using no soap or softeners. The changes are amazing
3.) I am post menopausal. I went through menopause at a very young age of 42. I have allot of energy, am very active and look young for my age. It's probably all that estrogen!!!!
)Becca333
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Becca, thank you for your wonderful and uplifting story!
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Hi Becca333, thank you for your message. I am 42. Today I looked again at my pathology results and noticed that
I had the same type of cells (tubular and cribriform) stage I grade I. Since I know myself I’ve had problems with my
breast – fibroadenoma since I was a teenager, very painful breasts and lumpy.Ok, now I have an explanation for my lump, I used to drink but not every morning16oz of green juice (kale,
apples, celery, lemon and lime and sometimes I add Chinese bitter melon) and
after a few weeks I felt that my lump had softened and shrunk but I decided to
take a break from my juice and notice that the lump is getting harder again, so
probably the explanation is that the green juice is making my system alkaline but
sooner I quit drinking my juice has became acidic again….I had it looked up by my
doctor, so I had a mammogram, an ultrasound and an MRI and he said that it is scar tissue, but why is getting
bigger…Since I know myself I liked sour fruits and I mean unripe fruits like plums, apricots, apples, cranberries, when
they were ripe did not like them at all, I raised in a farm and had a lot of
trees around and used to eat them like candies :-), strange child, and now I am craving my sour fruits and pickled cabbage and
cucumbers. I have tried so many natural alternatives before my diagnostic,
because I knew after all these years having problems with my breasts I will end
up having BC, which I did. I never knew nor suspected that my old “soury” habits
could be the culprit.. but will change my diet from now on and see what happens. In fact, I have heard about sodium bicarbonate and Dr. Simonci in Italy, but after all these natural alternatives I have tried before and nothing worked for me did not believe that this would do something for me.. but your message has called me for a try, thank you and God bless you Becca.I have taken Dim, Green tea extract, Turmeric, Calcium d-glucarate, fish oil, Vit. B and some mushroom
extract, soursoap juice as my local grocery store has the fruit all the time but I quit the Dim and Calcium
D-glucarate as I felt that it did nothing to me and felt bloated all the time…,.
I will probably take the Dim again.I am really willing to try the baking soda drink and continue with my green juice every morning and will keep you all updated.
God bless us all !
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Aromath, I don't think you were a strange child at all. It sounds like you were a child unspoiled by junk food. There was a doctor who wrote a book called Folk Medicine: A Vermont doctor's guide to good health by D. C. Jarvis, a minor classic about using apple cider vinegar, and he said that when children are unspoiled and live in the country, they tend to seek out sour fruits in the wild and that this is very good for them. Remember, just b/c something is sour does not mean that it's acidic to your system. So quit kicking yourself--chances are the cancer is from something else and if they were fibrous it may have been due to iodine deficiency. I started taking it last December and in this past year my breasts have shrunk from DD to B and that was not from surgery. All of that was fibrous tissue and no wonder the mammo didn't pick up on anything.
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Hi piper_dream,
yes my parents did not spoil me with junk food and I have never craved sugar
but sour fruits.But guess what, I had a thyroid problem at the same age I started having my breast issues. I
wanted to see Dr. Brownstein but I was told that he is not taking new patients,
I looked at his videos on youtube and it makes perfect sense of what he
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Thinking about natural progesterone (not to be confused w progestin) replacement per my orthopedist instead of Tamoxifen or aromatose inhibitors. Never thought I'd be using a sports doctor to help me prevent a BC occurrence, but he's sold on biodentical hormones for healthy aging and I'm turning into an believer of Dr. Lee's work (re: estrogen dominance as the cause of many ER+ breast cancers) so I'm exploring this avenue more. Anyone else look at this seriously?
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Labelle, early in my twenty, as my breast problems started I went to a medical doctor and
checked my blood hormone level and it came out that I was under estrogen
dominance, the doctor put me on Tamoxifen right away just to prevent
a BC she said. So I listened to her and started taking Tamo low dosage,
after 3 weeks my hair was coming off so badly and that was the time
when I read on the label that Tamo was recommended for BC, did not want to
take it anymore and went for a second opinion, my second doctor said that I should
have not taken Tamo as this drug was not for me and she said that there is no
cure for fibroadenoma/ fibrochistic breast disease and she suggested to go
see a naturopath, which I did. I have tried homeopathic medicine and for the first 2-3 years this worked perfectly
but after that, nope, then tried progesterone cream as Dr. Lee suggested, then found Vitex Castus Agnus tincture from
Vogel which it did help at the beginning, tried different diets and exercises, breast
compresses with Swedish bitter, clay, cabbage, essential oils, breast creams
prepared by a naturopath, tons of different tea herbs, Chinese herbs and pills
(did not know what they were), natural pills and vitamins, lymphatic massages, liver
cleanses, apricot kernels, green tea, everything I found and heard from everywhere
and after all these ....last year it happened.... and my tumor was estrogen
positive and progesterone positive as well, in high amount. Does that mean that
the progesterone is as bad as estrogen? Who really knows. I can see that my
tumor was well balanced, did not suffer from any estrogen or progesterone
deficiency, it had all the ingredients.I wanted to reply to you to see that my whole life was focused on balancing the estrogen and still I was not
spared.
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So after your twenties when you took Tamoxifen (even though you did not have BC, so I'm not sure why the Dr. prescribed it) did you have your progesterone and estrogen monitored via blood or saliva lab testing or were you just trying to balance it based on symptoms?
I'm pretty sure we know natural progesterone does not cause BC (again not to be confused w progesterin) but it certainly cannot prevent all BC, just as neither Tamoxifen no aromatose therapy will prevent all BC from reoccurring. Nor do I think it could be helpful for BC caused by genetic mutations. Just looking at it as maybe equal to Tamoxifen or aromatose w/o the bad side effects. I know there are no 100% guarantees w BC-not in herbs, green teas, progesterone or Tamoxifen/aromatose. Just trying to choose one that will help w/o hurting and exploring all options. I think this is an interesting one.
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In my twenties the blood tests I had clearly showed that I was low on PR and high in ER.
I have never used synthetic progesterone to increase my PR, the creams I used claimed to
have wild yam extract.I took for a long time 30-40 drops of Vitex Agnus Castus tincture daily with water to
increase my PR ratio naturally.Labelle, I hope you will find the right progesterone to balance your hormones and stay healthy.
If you believe in something go for it, everyone of us is unique and there are probably
200 different types of BC.
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Have you tried South American Macca?
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Just a quick note on the topic of sulfur. The article is on zinc which caught my eye. I take zinc supplements every other day. As I read further though sulfur is also mentioned. Anyone have any thoughts on the article?
Zinc could be an 'easily detectable biomarker of early breast cancer'
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Louanne, interesting article. I don't think that the information is particularly helpful to use at this time, but hopefully in the future it will not only make breast cancer easier to detect, but also treat. I found this part interesting: sulfur-rich proteins play a key role in how cancer cells process zinc - because the sulfur-rich protein thing is what is supposed to make the Budwig protocol effective.
On another note, I posted this in another forum (triple positive) but thought that some of you here would find it interesting, about melatonin:
2. Oncol Rep. 2013 May;29(5):2058-64. doi: 10.3892/or.2013.2314. Epub 2013 Feb 28.
Melatonin modulates aromatase activity and expression in endothelial cells.
Alvarez-García V, González A, Martínez-Campa C, Alonso-González C, Cos S.
Department of Physiology and Pharmacology, School of Medicine, University of Cantabria, 39011 Santander, Spain.
Melatonin is known to suppress the development of endocrine-responsive breast cancers by interacting with the estrogen signaling pathways. Paracrine interactions between malignant epithelial cells and proximal stromal cells are responsible for local estrogen biosynthesis. In human breast cancer cells and peritumoral adipose tissue, melatonin downregulates aromatase, which transforms androgens into estrogens. The presence of aromatase on endothelial cells indicates that endothelial cells may contribute to tumor growth by producing estrogens. Since human umbilical vein endothelial cells (HUVECs) express both aromatase and melatonin receptors, the aim of the present study was to evaluate the ability of melatonin to regulate the activity and expression of aromatase on endothelial cells, thus, modulating local estrogen biosynthesis. In the present study, we demonstrated that melatonin inhibits the growth of HUVECs and reduces the local
biosynthesis of estrogens through the downregulation of aromatase. These results are supported by three lines of evidence. Firstly, 1 mM of melatonin counteracted the testosterone-induced cell proliferation of HUVECs, which is dependent on the local biosynthesis of estrogens from testosterone by the aromatase activity of the cells. Secondly, we found that 1 mM of melatonin reduced the aromatase activity of HUVECs. Finally, by real-time RT-PCR, we demonstrated that melatonin significantly downregulated the expression of aromatase as well as its endothelial-specific aromatase promoter region I.7. We conclude that melatonin inhibits aromatase activity and expression in HUVECs by regulating gene expression of specific aromatase promoter regions, thereby reducing the local production of estrogens.
PMID: 23450505 [PubMed - in process]
and this:
5. Cell Mol Life Sci. 2013 Jun;70(12):2139-2157. Epub 2012 Sep 25. Molecular mechanisms of melatonin's inhibitory actions on breast cancers. Proietti S, Cucina A, Reiter RJ, Bizzarri M.
Department of Clinical and Molecular Medicine, University "La Sapienza", Rome, Italy.
Melatonin is involved in many physiological functions and it plays an important role in many pathological processes as well. Melatonin has been shown to reduce the incidence of experimentally induced cancers and can significantly inhibit the growth of some human tumors, namely hormone-dependent cancers. The anticancer effects of melatonin have been observed in breast cancer, both in in vivo with models of chemically induced rat mammary tumors, and in vitro studies on human breast cancer cell lines. Melatonin acts at different physiological levels and its antitumoral properties are supported by a set of complex, different mechanisms of action, involving apoptosis activation, inhibition of proliferation, and cell differentiation.
and this:
9. J Pineal Res. 2012 Apr;52(3):282-90. doi: 10.1111/j.1600-079X.2011.00940.x. Epub 2011 Dec 12.
Melatonin interferes in the desmoplastic reaction in breast cancer by regulating cytokine production.
Alvarez-García V, González A, Alonso-González C, Martínez-Campa C, Cos S.
Department of Physiology and Pharmacology, School of Medicine, University of Cantabria, Santander, Spain.
Melatonin exerts oncostatic effects on breast cancer by interfering with the estrogen signaling pathways. Melatonin inhibits aromatase enzyme in breast cancer cells and fibroblasts. In addition, melatonin stimulates the adipogenic differentiation of fibroblasts. Our objective was to study whether melatonin interferes in the desmoplastic reaction by regulating some factors secreted by malignant cells, tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-a, interleukin (IL)-11, and interleukin (IL)-6. To accomplish this, we co-cultured 3T3-L1 cells with MCF-7 cells. The addition of breast cancer cells to the co-cultures inhibited the differentiation of 3T3-L1 preadipocytes to mature adipocytes, by reducing the intracytoplasmic triglyceride accumulation, an indicator of adipogenic differentiation, and also stimulated their aromatase activity. Melatonin counteracted the inhibitory effect on adipocyte differentiation and aromatase activity induced by MCF-7 cells in 3T3-L1 cells. The levels of cytokines in the co-culture media were 10 times those found in culture of 3T3-L1 cells alone. Melatonin decreased the concentrations of cytokines in the media and counteracted the stimulatory effect induced by MCF-7 cells on the cytokine levels. One millimolar melatonin induced a reduction in TNF-a, IL-6, and IL-11 mRNA expression in MCF-7 and 3T3-L1 cells. The findings suggest that melatonin may play a role in the desmoplastic reaction in breast cancer through a downregulatory action on the expression of antiadipogenic cytokines, which decrease the levels of these cytokines. Lower levels of cytokines stimulate the differentiation of fibroblasts and decrease both aromatase activity and expression, thereby reducing the number of estrogen-producing cells proximal to malignant cells.
© 2011 John Wiley & Sons A/S.
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Oh Aromath, we do have the same type of breast cancer, (cribriform, tubular), Did you know that it is a very rare slow growing breast cancer and only 3%-6% of all breast cancers are the type that we have. We both are very lucky you know! If the hard lump that I had was just scar tissue from the lumpectomy surgery, and since we both have the same type of breast cancer, then the baking soda regime has to work for you too, because it worked for me.
On top of doing the baking soda regime for the past three months, I've also been juicing. I purchase Cosco's large bag of greens plus their blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, strawberries, celery, carrots, apples, oranges lemons and limes. I freeze the greens because they become slimy if they are not used within a couple days. I have a Vita Mix and I blend together in the mixer 3 large handfuls of the greens along with two apples, and approximately one cup of blueberries, approximately one cup of blackberries, 1/2 cup of raspberries or strawberries, 1/2 of a lemon, lime or a whole orange and 12-16 oz. of purified water. I blend everything together for about 1 minute. Then I pour the mixture into six 12oz drinking water glasses, cover them with saran wrap and place them into the refrigerator for easy access during the week. The bag of greens is good for three batches of mixture. The berries I purchase every week.
I've never was much of an eater of greens or of vegetables other than potatoes, corn on the cob, carrots and squash . The fruits that I've eaten allot of in the past were tomatoes, watermelon and grapes. Although I enjoy eating all types of fruits, especially cantaloupe, honeydew melon, cherries, strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, apples, oranges and grapes.
Throughout my lifetime I never was much of a drinker of wine or alcoholic beverages. I preferred drinking diet coke and other diet soft drinks plus I used tons of sugar substitutes such as "Equal" in everything from coffee to baking goods, soups and sauces. I even would sprinkle Equal on watermelon to make it sweeter.
I'm never was much of a grain or dairy person, although butter is definitely one of my culprits. I was more of a meat, potato, and pasta person.
Since being diagnosed with breast cancer I've changed many things including the food I eat. I get my greens through juicing and I'm eating much more vegetables. I'm also eating more fish than meat and all organic.
One wish that I have is for all doctors to test their patients PH levels, and also for doctors to inform their patients the importance of having and keeping an alkaline level of 7.5 - 8.0. PH testing strips are cheap, and so is baking soda. Preventing one from ever developing breast cancer is allot cheaper than having to treat a person who has been diagnosed with breast cancer.
I just don't get it!!!
Take care and God bless,
Becca333
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I just had a mastectomy for tubular carcinoma, labelle. My tumor receptors came back very high for both estrogen and progesterone. I am 51 and perimenopausal and I have been taking bioidentical progesterone (sublingual and then suppository) for 3 years and estriol/estradiol cream for 1 year. I don't know if the BHRT gave me the cancer, but I do believe it contributed to its growth. I stopped as soon as I got the diagnosis and started on DIM. I believe my oncologist is going to prescribe Tamoxifen, and I don't want to take it. I ran Cancermath, and it showed no difference between taking it or not taking it. I am still researching what to do, but to me, the side effects are worse than any benefits it would provide. I am hoping to stick with DIM and other supplements, but I am afraid to tell my doctor. I thought my surgery decision was difficult--this is making me crazy. I also am awaiting the results of my oncotype dx test, and I am hoping they will do a Mammaprint. One thing I won't do is go back on BHRT, that is certain. ~
BTW, with saliva testing after being on progesterone for 2 years, my progesterone was off the charts high, and my estrogen was on the low side. That's when I cut back on the progesterone and added a bit of estrogen. My DHEA and testosterone readings were high too, which did not match my symptoms. I think messing around with hormones is a crapshoot at best.
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katcar0001, thanks for posting that mention of Cancermath. I hadn't heard of it, and ran it too, to determine the outcome of my taking or not taking Tamoxifen. Like you, it makes little difference - only a few days over 15 years. I'll certainly take this to my oncologist, when push comes to shove!!
Thanks again,
C.
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Everything with BC seems to be contradictory. Eat soy. don't eat soy, no dairy, eat yogurt, etc. I went plant-based, gluten-free, and no dairy and lost so much weight (down to 89lbs), and had such low levels that I was deemed anemic and malnourished. My doctor had me add some hormone-free, lean cuts of meat, and hormone-free eggs and yogurt. I've started making my own soap and lotion, stopped having my nails done (although I just found a 5-free source of polish), stopped wearing my perfume (which I loved), and otherwise have tried to clean up what's going in and on my body. I took DIM for a year, but it made my liver enzymes go up more than double the accepted level. I'm still looking for a protein powder that isn't disgusting. I've since gained weight, but have no real appetite. I wish there was pill to pop for that. I will be interested to see what my labs look like next month.
I think we each need to know ourselves and what works for us and what doesn't. Most of us with 100% estrogen positive cancers will understandably stay away from soy. And even if you are eating it, you are eating a gmo version of it, not what they were eating in the China Study, so its efficacy is not a given.
Doing this without becoming obsessive is a challenge. I've gone from one extreme to the other in the last two years. I think I'm finally finding the right balance. I wish all of my fellow travelers on their BC journey wisdom, strength and hope yours.
Blessings
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Dear Ladies
I have just looked up the cancer math website.................and haven't really got a clue as to what it is saying and on what it's info is based upon. I'm either going to live for 15 years or 20 years. Nothing about a few days difference here and there :-(
Is anyone able to give me a quick explanation? I'm not generally thick like this, but I really don't understand its formulae.
Thanks
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FWIW, my holistic doc has me on sulfur, which helps the liver to detox poisonous substances like mercury and lead, as well as a whole host of other nasties. Your liver needs sulfur to function most efficiently. MSM is one good way to supplement it. He has me taking 20 mg of melatonin every night and if nothing else it surely helps me sleep. I got the wrong bag of pills one day while taking my "nooner" and couldn't figure out why I was groggy that day. Good thing I wasn't at work lol.
Aromath, he also has me taking a 12.5 mg tab of Iodoral, 3x/day.
Also, even though I'm highly ER+/PR+, he has me to use progesterone cream as I've been so estrogen dominant for years that I also have fibroids. Interestingly, as soon as I began to use it I went into peri-menopause, which was long anticipated--I'm actually enjoying the hot flashes, lol as it will save on heating this winter. It helps that they're only warm flashes lol. Not having a period for 7 weeks now has surely helped--I'm just praying I'm not pregnant.
Stranger things have happened. And how would I know at first--don't we come up positive on PG tests b/c of the cancer? LOL with a few giggles thrown in. 0 -
ladybird-da
I used the "life math chart" as an important tool, after researching my type of cancer, that helped me with my decision as to which course I would take after having my lumpectomy.
The easiest way to explain its use is to grab your pathology reports, both before and after surgery.
When the first page of cancer calculator comes up click "breast cancer". When the breast cancer calculator tool comes up click "Therapy Calculator". From there type in the specified boxes:
Your age,
Tumor size in cm,
Your lymph node status, (using the drop down arrows) If you don't know what your lymph node status was click "unknown", if you do know your lymph node status click" known" from the drop down menu box reading # of positive nodes, then next to the box type the number of lymph node that were positive, if none were positive type 0.
Type in your ER, PR, and HER2 status
Histological type, (use the drop down menu)
The grade of your tumor
Then in the "Therapy Options" area, fill in the prescribed options using the drop down arrows. When your finished, click "Update Graph" (This is the fun area because you can play around with or without different treatment options to see the actual long term percentage benefits)
On the upper right of the calculator tool, you will see the "Mortality Risk" chart. Inside the chart is five small colored dots describing what each color means. Below the chart is an area with the words "Display as:" with a drop down box that reads "Mortality curves". This is another fun part of the tool because you are able to visually look at your mortality risk utilizing the different therapy choices, including no therapy, and see exactly what the percentage of benefits are for you.
The chart I like the best is the Pictogram. The reason for that is because cancer statistic numbers given to patients are negatively skewed. The pictogram chart tells it exactly like it is.
I hope this is of help.
God bless,
becca333
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Becca333 Thanks for this info. My concern was that the ladies above said that the cancermath showed them a discrepancy of with and without drugs in days...........................my calculation came out in years..........more than 4 years actually!
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I am so sick and tired of this whole thing. My tumour has, after reducing by 25% in 6 months and then remaining in stasis for the next 6 months, decided to grow. I have tried so many different protocols, am doing all the right things, really, really don't look or feel ill at all, and yet this damn thing exists.......and now has the nerve to flipping well grow!!! Bah!
Question to all of you:
Has anyone tried the Reno Integrative Medical Centre or the San Diego clinic??????????
Does anyone know anyone who has and what they achieved there?????????????
Many thanks if any of you can come up with answers.........and thanks for being there anyway. :-)
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Ladybird, did you not have surgery? I didn't and mine grows and shrinks all the time. I don't really think it is doing either one but the underlying tissue is doing that instead.
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Ladybird, that is most likely because your cancer is more advanced than theirs. If a cancer is stage 1, in most cases hormone treatment (or chemo) will only make a small difference, since the risk of recurrence is so small anyway.
Making up an example: tamox cuts recurrence risk in half, let's say. If your recurrence risk is 20% over 5 years, then tamox will reduce that to 10%. That is a significant gain for the patient. However, if your recurrence risk is 3% over 5 years, then tamox will only reduce that to 1.5%, which may not be worth the SEs etc for the patient.
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Becca, regarding what you said about making green juice: when you cut in to or grind up whole foods (fruits, veggies) they begin to oxidize immediately and lose their nutritional value.
I wish I could just get up and pull my blender cup from the fridge with all my stuff cut up and ready for me to juice. One of the markets I use has cups full of fruits and veggies on the shelf for just that purpose. I'm not saying there is no value, but it's reduced. I've read that a green drink is supposed to be taken within 15-20 minutes AND that 24 oz is the minimum size.
That's a huge issue for me because whether it's a green drink, weight gainer smoothie or a milkshake from the local burger place - I can't eat or drink large amounts, and juicing is predicated on large amounts. It's been a lifelong issue. After a few sips I start to gag, even if it's delicious.
I made a 24 oz weight gainer smoothie today. It took me hours to finish it, going to the fridge for little sips all day long.
I like a lot of the veggies you do - potatoes are so yum!
I feel the reason doctors don't mention PH levels is because it's Altmed and that's beyond the purview of a conventional doc. Plus, I've read a lot of back and forth over whether PH levels really do matter, or if they're just a way of selling fancy water purifiers. He doesn't want to mention anything unproven in case you try something and die and then your relatives come and sue him.
That's my 0.02 on that.
I've visited the cancermath website and I know I'm doing it right, but it says something about me being in stage 2 (yeah right!). I don't know how it would know that since cancer stage is not one of the criteria.
Mini1, I agree with you about all the contradictory information out there. Even ladies discussing conventional treatment still get different advice from their MDs. It does my head in so I'm trying to NOT think about what I eat and just do what I normally do. I don't know why I got cancer. My doctor doesn't know. It just happened.
I feel that we get so scared after Dx and suddenly our lives are out of control. Our bodies are betraying us and being changed via drugs, radiation and surgery. It's natural that we would grab on to something we can control like what we put on and in our bodies.
Anorexia is more about control than being slim, and I feel we're similar to those anorexics - trying to bring order to chaos in the only way we know how.
Piper's Dream...wow...20 mg of melatonin! My husband had to work nights for a couple of years - what an ordeal! Our MD suggested melatonin for sleep. I was impressed with how well it worked, until I started having the WORST nightmares! Came to discover that vivid dreaming is a SE of melatonin. I was taking 5mg nightly.
I can take it but not for more than 3 days in a row or the nightmares come. The same thing happens if I take OTC sleep aids containing Diphenhydramine. I'm just trying to imagine what my dreams would be like on 20mg!
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Dear Cee67
According to Gerson, who was the originator of juicing, you DO NOT have to take 24oz drinks. You need 7-8oz drinks several times a day on Gerson.
I think you'd do better making a small drink and consuming it, and then another one later in the day. As you said, the longer they are left after they've been made, the less are its beneficial powers.
I would recommend you steer clear of potatoes tho'. 1 - because they are from the bella donna family and therefore cause inflammation and cancer in an inflammatory illness, 2 - They are pure carbohydrate which is the last thing you want to be consuming if you have cancer, as the tumour feeds on it.
Good luck!
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I have made the decision to not change my diet - see my comments in my previous post - too much stress worrying over every little thing. I am using cannabis though. (we each must decide what is best for us - if others want to change diet and feel it's beneficial then of course they should!)
I love potatoes, and I am losing weight so pasta and potatoes are on the menu. Cancer sapped joy from my life - I have no plans to to take that further. Gosh, can't we all just live a little?
I see a lot of ladies on this forum who lament over all the things they can't eat, lotions, bubble baths they won't use. We have cancer and I feel sad that they are denying themselves things that probably didn't cause their cancer to begin with, but which gave them great peace and enjoyment. We need as much of that as possible.
Why do some people eat what they want and never get cancer, when others are careful and do? I am not convinced it is diet. My mother is obese and sits in front of the TV all day, but *I* am the one with cancer - the one who always told her to stop eating all the crap she eats. Well she's healthy and I am not so I will never say anything to her about diet again. (by healthy I mean she does not have a deadly illness). Her sister is the exact same way - again, she's fine and I'm sickly. Makes me very angry.
I think it's great to eat better - I am doing that too and I have enough faith that I am eating a balanced diet so I don't need to change it. For me, eating a foreign diet that I would not enjoy at all is not the way to give me a good QoL. We all must make the choice that is best for us, and that is the one that's best for me.
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Cee67
Thank you for the feed back on juicing. I've read in some articles that nutrients are lost over time and for best results to consume juicing right away. I call it juicing but what I'm doing it actually a high degree of blending in a Vita Mix, pulp and all. I've also read articles stating that the nutrients can stay fresh for up to 72 hours if refrigerated and sealed air tight. That is one reason that I like using Saran-wrap to seal the juice glasses, as no air gets in with the Saran-wrap seal. Gosh, I'd hate to think that I'm not getting much nutrients from the greens, as they do taste really good.. I also would hate to juice/mix all those ingredients fresh every morning as it would take additional time. It's so convenient having everything ready to drink in the morning.
I like your view on the subject of cancer. Who knows why we got it??? The fact is that we do have it, and that we are dealing with it in a manner that we believe is best for us. And that's a good thing!!!
Best to all,
Becca333
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Geese Ladybird, I wish that I had some helpful answers that could help you but I don't. I will say though, don't ever give up and keep researching the subject. Also, try the baking soda regime for 6 weeks straight and see if the tumor shrinks. You will never know if you don't give it a try.
Becca333
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