new and future flat sister, with questions
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Oh Bobo. it sounds like the most wonderful Birthday! You so deserve it.
What a wonderful gift your DLLP made for you, with the help of the children. I bet you can't stop looking through it.
It sounds like a very busy week for you, so take care of yourself.
I am not sure I quite understand what the issue is for the new bra. Is it because you have a previous surgery on one side that makes the two sides a different size?
If that is the case, there are a couple of Amoena things that may help. We don't seem to have other brands here, that you have over there, but I have seen the partial prosthesis that Amoena make in the catalogues that I was given when I got fitted. They are simply designed to "fill" the gap and they are like a silicone "chicken filet" sorry Hon, but that's what they call them!
When you say no underwire is an issue for the remaining side, is it because of size, or just what you are used to? I need a bit more information, but I will gladly do the research for you if you let me know the details.
I have tossed every underwire out after reading about someone who had the same surgery as I did, who couldn't feel the underwire stabbing her where she was numb. It gives me the creeps, big time, to think about that, and the infection. I have so much numbness...Sorry, I digress.
There are so many new bras around that don't have traditional underwires. I haven't tried them, but they are a far more flexible plastic underwire. Also, the exercise, or yoga bras are a new interest of mine. I wore one of the New Balance ones that I bought recently and really like it, but I don't know how you'd find it under clothes. I wore it with, just an exercise zip up jacket over it, and it worked well with a softee in it.
Let me know, and I'll start looking!
Take care.....Hugs to everyone! M
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F rads! I am spitting mad. When I think of idesim itching I am my worst punk self. My area is itching and burning quite a bit lately, also because of the rain. Oh, and F doctors who tell you something doesn't hurt when it does, or who tell you Aquaphor will fix an issue when it will not. I am not saying anyone said that to you yet. Just F them in advance.
I want all B surgeons to have seven punch biopsies a partial mx and then a giant lx of an 11 cm mass in the same breast, then talk to me about pain issues. Not that anyone has said anything to me yet, because I have not brought it up, because I do not want to go on the hop. I'm just generally in a bad mood regarding all surgeons who have not had a gouge (or two, or more) taken out. In fact, I wouldn't mind stepping up to take the gouge out for them. After all, very often they let med students operate on us.
All right! (congratulating myself). You are right, idesim -- OG surgery on the 13th. My biopsy on the 20th. CBE on the Tuesday before. I'm being checked out every six weeks, or every two days, or every eight weeks (starting over with a mammo on 13 September). Not really every six months.
I think we should take all this healthy aggression out on someone deserving. Who had we targeted? Animal abusers with or without hoodies? They should not be too hard to find.
p.s. I love Trivial Pursuit. I am also allergic to dairy. XX
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OMG! We are posting at exact same time! Ariom! That just makes me miss you more..
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Yes, I am definitely going to need your expert assistance, as I don't know where to start and there are so many choices.
I am DD, and I felt I needed an underwire. That being said, the sx I have had on my left side has left it at least a cup size (or more) smaller than the right side. Therefore, when I wear my normal underwire bra (which is a really good one, Wacoal), the band (around your torso) rides up on one side. I could put my fist into the top of the bra on the left side. The whole top is empty. And so when I move quickly, it bounces and hurts.
Funny, you were asking about my previous surgeries at exactly the same time I was 'sounding off' about those previous sx in detail. You are psychic! Tell me what to buy and I will buy it. Should I go to the terrible cancer shop for a fitting? Yikes. I will do it if I have to.
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Ideism
I asked my RO for lidocaine ointment for the itchiness. It numbed it, didn't itch. Good stuff0 -
OMG, Bobo, had you not taken a rant at ldesims itching, I would have missed her post altogether. I hate when there is a post at the bottom of the previous page and you start at the top of the new page not knowing it's there.
ldesim, I am so sorry you are feeling that heat and itch. I can't wait for you to be finished with this. I think of you often, and wonder if you're getting SE's. A friend of mine had Rads, and swore by Pure Aloe Vera, can't hurt, and if it doesn't work, you can drink it! Maybe she meant the gel in a tube,I am not sure now, don't be trying to drink that! LOL
Bobo, you're itching too. I hate it! I had an allergic reaction to something, after I had a virus last year. I came out in huge itching welts all over. It was just awful, so I know how angry and fractious you must be feeling too. F itching for you both!
I am with Bobo, FFFFFFFFF Rads, and Surgery, and Biopsies, and all this Shitty stuff we have to endure FFFF it all, pulling ugly face to make the point, with middle fingers flipping the Fing bird as well!
Now on a different note, my Miss Bobo, I now have a better picture of what you are dealing with. I know you have mentioned in other posts, what you've had done, but never all of it together. I get it now! I am sorry!
I know you're not going to like this, and I would go with you if I could, in a heartbeat, but I think your best bet is going to be a proper fitting at the dreaded ca shop. Iknow, Iknow, I hear you protesting, Bobo, but it just might solve the problem. They are trained for this, I am taking a stab in the dark at what might work for you. I promise, if it doesn't work out, I willl find something that works for you! and you can "B slap" me for putting you through the fitting process! LOL Ok?
I wish I were psychic! I have a girlfriend who has been a working psychic all her life. The things she saw for me were varied and sometimes, disturbingly true.
I hadn't called her since moving, so called her a few weeks ago, only to discover she's suffering from Demetia. I was devastated. She never could see anything in her own future, maybe for the best.
Well on that sad note, I am off to post lots of parcels for Colin. He has been systematically selling stuff on Ebay, rather than giving it all away, or subjecting me to having my own yard sale, which I hate. This week it is his old toys, yep, his Mother kept them all.
I'll be back later..... Oh yes, today, I did the Rites, so only one day missed. I feel lots better thank you! M x
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Idesim, I do eat dairy, but very little. I have a bit of low-fat milk on my muesli and in my coffee in the AM. I also do eat a little cheese (which I love), but much less than I used to. I avoid all things made with cream and butter, except for rare occasions. We cook with olive oil. The most difficult for me is leaving out dishes topped with cheese, but I usually manage.
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Perugina chocolate brought back memories. They used to be sold in a small pack of 3 individual pieces. As children we were not allowed candy or chocolate. But when my parents traveled, they would buy one of those 3-packs in the airport and put one next to each of our beds (3 kids) when they returned. That way, waking up to a perugina chocolate meant that my mother was home.
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Hey there Momine!
Love that chocolate story. You are a welcome addition to this bad-girl thread! Please excuse Ariom's extreme potty-mouth, you will get used to it
Okay, Ariom, I will go to the c shop after the kids are both in camp. Yikes. Hate the thought of that.
Good thing this is not a 'what are you having for dinner?' thread, since I am a wash-out lately in that dept. I envy your e-Bay abilities. I never think of doing anything like that. I think I am not very enterprising.
Cheers! Off to teach! XX
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Morning! Sorry I've been MIA, F Femara, it has really been tough on my emotions, and clouded my thoughts, not that they were crystal clear before. LGFG, was good, I didn't learn any new makeup tricks, but I did come home with a bag of new makeup. Have I ever mentioned that I have no lips, well they are tiny ones there far below my nose. The director of the class assured me that she could make it appear that they were there, I knew better. I sat there as she whipped out her magic lip liner and drew the out line of BIG lips on my face, then filled in her artwork with bright red lipstick, I looked like I had just developed a nose bleed! After she stepped back to admire her handiwork, she handed me a tissue and said, you just weren't meant to have lips. Lol.
I stopped by the cancer store on my way home, they pissed me off so I left with nothing. Have I said F Femara? It has killed the nice sweet me and turned me into a B. I actually went in there in search of my first pair of foobs, the woman in there was not at all helpful and very discouraging. She said she "thinks" I need a release from the surgeon, and a prescription before they can even talk to me. Is that true?
Bobo your birthday gift is just precious. Gifts that someone puts thought, time, and love into are the best. I'll go to the C shop with you for moral support or to punch someone whatever you need. They should make a punching bag in the likenesses of the doctors, have them in the waiting room so we could just knock the snot out of them at will.
M, a boy parting with his toys! That serious. Thank goodness the OG didn't run across Colin's items on ebay, you would be shipping stuff here. In 1962, some kid stole his one Christmas toy, a Texaco tanker, he has yet to get over that loss and searches for the exact one periodically on ebay, and in antique stores. He is still a little boy at heart.
Oh my speaking of the OG he just called me after his pre-op appointment. His surgeon changed the plan, the surgery will be much more extensive, instead of doing one finger he is going into all 3, and into the hand. Therapy will begin on Fri. morning! This is going to be painful for the old guy.
Idesim, F itching! F the doctors who lead to believe that all this bull is a cake walk. If they haven't lived it they don't know. With years of working with patients I think they become less caring, and view this whole cancer thing as no big deal. Send me a newbie, I need a new Lexis. Grrrrrrrr...
Ok this post has taken 2 hours with breaks! Theres tomato plants to stake. Hopefully a big cookout to plan for Sat. and Sun. I'll tell you about that if it comes together. Please let it. Hugs to all. I'll pop in tomorrow after surgery.0 -
Hugs to OG! Gramwe, your post about the c center actually makes me more scared to go there! I was thinking I would just pay for the stupid bras outright.
I will be thinking of your OG. I don't want him to be in pain! XX
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Remember F-ing femara is messing with my head, your experience may be better.
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bobo.. you do need a prescription if insurance will pay, but if you wish to buy a bra and pay yourself I would think you should be able to. I too did not have the best experience with the fitter but hopefully the next one will be better, but truth be told now that I have a "loaner" as she put it until the one I want arrives, I do have a little more positive feeling about my image, maybe that would also help you. I know we arent to be vain but let's face it.. we usually are or at least at time.! I am with everyone that says f this cancer situations!! It makes me depressed getting up and looking in the mirror most mornings! I know I need an attitude asjustments at times tho. I try to stay as busy as possible, it is nice here now and we love to garden, veggies, flowers, etc and have a huge lawn to keep mowed so that does keep me busy. When I started arimidex I was so afraid of it, but so far so good. I always had hot flashes so what the heck! my problem is that I just cannot SLEEP! havent had a good nites sleep in ages. I know that is not good for my body but what to do. I dont want to take prescription sleeping pills, afraid of them, have tried tylenol pm doesnt help that much and feel groggy the next morn... well enough about my problems. wishing everyone well
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Do check your insurance for payment. Medicare pays for a foob every 2 years and 2 bras every 6 mos. They tend to pay less than others, so you might have good coverage. I have a copay, but it really helps.
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oh wow.. lots and lots of posts.... something to look forward to when I get home!!!
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Bobo, pottymouth? Can't possibly be as bad as me. I saw my doc this evening, and he claimed to have gone deaf at some point, when I expressed my feelings about scans. Can you imagine, he didn't want to listen to my FEELINGS! I am all sad inside.
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Momine, we are all potty mouths and gutter gums here (still love that one). There really is no way I can imagine going through this process without swearing loudly!!
Ndgirl, I'm worried about the sleep thing on Tamoxifen also as it's a SE and so far so good with that, but what to do when/if it does occur.. Sleep is SOOO important and honestly, nobody would want to be in the same state as me if I am sleep deprived. I've heard people swear by that sleepytime tea.. I have not tried it myself and have my doubts on the effectiveness. I like you would not want to take sleeping pills, but there might be times you have to.. maybe half a pill when it's just been too long you've gone without sleep?
OMG Granwe, I am dying over the lip story. I don't know about the foobs.. every damn thing needs a prescription it seems... the stupid camisoles that I had for surgery I had to have a prescription for.. ditto on the wig. And I have to still pay for the damn things and then put in for reimbursement.. how stupid is that? F insurance companies. Having said that, why the hell couldn't she take time to talk to you and show you a couple of things and get your measurements?? F her! haha
Awww.. I'm sad over OG's Christmas toy.. how nice would it be to find him one?
I'll be thinking of you all day tomorrow and I hope everything goes smoothly and he isn't in too much pain, but most of all the surgery is successful. I can't believe they are starting therapy so soon! I kinda pity the therapist
Granwe, is he a terrible patient? haha.. he better not even think of rubbing you the wrong way while you are strugglng on the Femara. F Femara and F therapy.Godamn this rain! I keep opening the windows thinking it has passed and it starts again! Enough already!!
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F that doctor! I am all sad inside for him.. poor doctor. Having to mime the activity of listening! His face must be tired when he gets home. Maybe he should 'put an ice pack on it.'
Funny you should mention this, Momine. I have some feelings about MRIs I'd like to share with someone. Oh wait -- I have a lot of feelings. {{{{hugs}}}}
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I imagine the doctors have to be less caring... (sorry am I killing the anger buzz?), I know I would have to be that way or be an emotional wreck.
The itch situation is under control, they gave me some gel crap that has aloe in it, and told me I can also use hydrocortisone, however, my underarm is as red as raw meat (sorry Bobogirl) and seriously uncomfortable. 2 more weeks of this shit... I just hope we hold off on any hot/humid weather because I know that would be horrible right now! I put the gel in the refrigerator like they told me to, so in a little bit that should feel good on my skin.
haha.. something tells me that Moira couldn't pull off a an ugly face if she tried, but I love the mental image I have of Colin going by and Moira is all making ugly faces and flipping the bird with both hands at her computer screen
I'm glad you're feeling well enough to resume your rites. I think it's sweet his mom saved all his toys.. some things can be worth quite a bit of money now. I think my mother has all my brothers batman figures as well as a couple of other things that are now collectibles.
That is SO sad about your friend.. Dementia is a horrible thing. I would not like to hear what a psychic would have to say.. I don't think I'd want to hear the bad things and the good things I'd prefer as a nice surprise.
Finish catching up later, dinner is served on the coffee table.. hamburgers! (sorry again Bobogirl) and no pumpkin!
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Good Morning USA!
I just wrote a huge long post and wet to another page for a word check, and it was gone! Where so these things go? Is there a cyberworld dead post office somewhere? Craps me off!
Anyway, I am almost underwater here. The rain has been bucketing down since yesterday and they are expecting 200mls before it stops. No leaks in the house, you can never be sure after all the renovations we have done. Glad for that!
Momine, great to see you here! I always look forward to reading your posts, you've a great sense of humour. Glad you're a pottymouth too, I'd hate to offend you!
ndgirl, great to see you too! I 'm concerned for your lack of sleep too. You wouldn't like me if I was here and sleep deprived either. Probably a silly question, but have you tried any of the natural sleep herbs etc? or Melatonin, perhaps?
I am glad you are feeling a little better about your image, now that you have had your fitting. Please give yourself time to get used to the changes. It is really early days for you. You've been through a huge surgery, and the mind F (excuse me, but that is what I believe it is) of all this. It's a huge amount to process in a short space of time.
Vain! why not, it never hurt anyone! LOL Colin tells me that sometimes, I am wearing more revealing things than I did before this. I think it is a bit of "Thumbing my nose at it". I love it when someone says "That looks fantastic, you'd never know!" Ha Ha I say to myself and I am almost 60!
Just between us, I think that's why I am on the eternal search for the perfect bra, cami, or "foob".
To be absolutely honest, hand on heart, I have no issue with the way I look now. I am kind of proud of the scar. I am enjoying seeing the subtle changes from exercise. My chest is taught, and I am working on my arms.
It is just about 6 months for me now. I know I'll never be exactly the same, but it can get better and easier. I hope it does for you too.
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DD Bobogirl? geez that is difficult to work with, I have to agree you probably need a professonal fitting. I am not liking that nobody appears to have had a good fitting session, I hate shopping as it is, and this isn't really anything pleasant to shop for.. another hurdle to contend with.
I'm upset that you're having pain and itching, although the itching may be a sign of further healing, the last gouging wasn't that long ago. I hope you're done after this F'ing biopsy.
I'm all for hunting down all abusers of animals, children, women... whether hooded or non hooded.
I love how dead up Moira is on the bra shopping! I swear, I am going to have her do all my xmas shopping this year.
Bobogirl how is the tattoos and hair color coming along?? My hair appears to be getting darker!! I may not be entirely gray as I've been fearing.. yippee!
2/3 of the way through rads.. 2 weeks from today I am all done.. I cannot even wait. I think come September, I might look into going to a spa for a couple of days... I look and feel like hell!
I don't even think I'll make it to 9 tonight haha.. I'll talk to you all tomorrow and look forward to knowing OG is done with surgery.
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Oh Gramwe, I am so sorry that you're feeling the effects of F'ing Femara. I hope it diminishes as you get more used to it.
Bloody prescriptions, so sorry you missed out on getting Foobs too. I agree ldesim, couldn't that woman just do the fitting now, ready for when you have the damn prescription. I imagine you're feeling fed up. ((((HUGS))))) from me........... F her too, big time!
Silly makeup woman! What would make her think that bright red, fake lips would be acceptable. I am envisioning Goldie Hawn in First Wives Club, not a good look! but may I suggest, a natural lip stain like Revlon "Just Bitten" in a Natural shade, just to give a bit of color and a line if you want to draw it just marginally outside your own lipline. Just a suggestion, I used to use this trick on brides with small lips. It worked a treat for the photos.
You are having a lousy time of it Gramwe!
I feel for the OG losing his truck. I know that Colin has been "preparing" for a while to get rid of these toys. I was gobsmacked when one of the tiny tractors went for over $100.00. There's money in those tiny toys alright! I spent ages wrapping them all and posting yesterday, now there's another lot today.
Give the OG my very best for the hand surgery. I had a big one for my Rheumatoid years ago. I was in a purpose built contraption for months. It went up to the elbow, and each finger had a little sling held by wires that went up to a bridge. I started rehab straight away too, and 3 times a day, I had to exercise each finger in this contraptioon by pulling down against the springs. It was an awesome thing, it scared small children.
The funniest thing was, when Colin and I were out, people would come up to him and ask what was wrong with my hand, and what was that thing. He'd explain it all in detail. but he was so disappointed that no one wanted to know why he was in a wheelchair! LOL
Bobo, don't you be scared now. You pull up your big girl pants and go to the fitter. I'll bet you'll find something.
What do you teach?
ldesim, you've got the picture right. I do, do that, right in front of the screen if someone has been wronged! Colin just shakes his head, and says "How old are you?"
You may call it sweet, I call it a hoarder! You should have seen what we had to do to empty that house! OMG!
Yes, I am back into my Rites, and loving it! This flare up didn't last as long as they usually do, so that is a bonus. Maybe the results of my 9 lettuce salads and herbs! Ha
You are so right about dementia, it is the most insidious disease. My Mother had it. I watched it rob her of her dignity and her memories. Fortunately she passed after 5 years, and didn't linger like many do. Colin's Mother has it too. She is in a nursing home just up the road from us. Unfortunately, she is very healthy and will likely have it for much longer than my Mum.
Well, on that sad note, I am off to have a shower, and a quick look around the opp shop. I will check back later!
Hi to Wren!
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Excellent update! I hardly know where to begin. Granwe, I know how... insulting and debilitating it can be to have a bad makeover! I had one on my birthday once, years ago, that absolutely reduced me to tears. Luckily you have our Ariom to give you real and excellent make-up tips! Right now, on the make-up front, I am making a change away from 'lipstick,' and definitely away from deeper color, because it is not punk. Also, I am wearing more eye make-up, so I thought I'd balance it with a more neutral lip. That being said, if I'm in a hot flash, I have no make-up on whatsoever -- it melts off.
So funny that idesim pictured our Ariom exactly -- flipping off her computer screen, and Colin making a comment as he goes by! We are getting to know A, aren't we? Love that you are going to the op shop (again).
Regarding bras -- okay, I will go. Not next week -- jammed with work because of the biopsy stuff -- but maybe next. Meantime, I have been thinking -- does anyone know of a small icepack that I could shove into a bra? I know I shouldn't ice it all the time. But it feels much better when I ice it in the evenings.
Idesim, so sorry about your red-meat-looking underarm! Is the cream working? How long will the raw area take to actually heal? Ooh -- poor baby. Two weeks left! You are right -- you are going to have to have something to fill in that 'activity time.' I know you have work... but we'll have to stick some kind of treat into your day to fill in.
How are the streaks and tattoos going? Streaks wash out quickly, as I have told you, and they are so subtle -- in fact, they are underneath, you have to look for them -- and so I have been never satisfied by this, and I'm thinking, what streaks will last? I am going to have to break down and get 'lady' streaks with 'butterscotch' or whatever thing my hairdresser will do. But the punk version of that. Have I mentioned I may get a huge promotion? Ariom, I teach whatever my boss wants. Literally. I'm studying Attic Greek at the college, in my spare time. But I'm not going to take a ph.d. in that. Most times I don't even seek credit for the classes!
Tattoos -- I've got one picked out. No time to do it yet, though! Perhaps when the children are both in camp. I'm too busy working to get my tattoo! I laugh at myself. This mightn't be the problem of a normal tattoo person. Or else, perhaps they stay up later, so they can do it late in the evening.
I think we need to think about getting an event together, Idesim. Don't you? Cami shopping in Boston? EF? Maybe early December? I do not travel much at all these days. But we all need something to look forward to, don't we?
I've got a lot of maintenance-type stuff to do. Get Green Vibrance, do rites (sorry, I am not really doing them yet), go back to yoga at least once a week (when kids are in school), bra shop, find small ice pack, clinical breast exam Tuesday. Wanted to get pedicure but that seems bottom-of-the-list. Sending you all big kisses! Momine! Come from Greece and help me work on my sewing project! You are the excellent seamstress, aren't you?
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Oh you sneaky girls, you posted while I was in the shower.
ldesim, you're my hero! You are almost there, and even suffering burns and discomfort you're still in great spirits, I love it! I am doing the face and flipping, the double bird right now at the screen! FFFFFFF'in Rads be gone! Colin missed that one, he's busy counting the money he made on Ebay! Says it still doesn't cover my "Foobs":)
Definitely do the spa thing, you so deserve it! Gosh I wish we were all closer. I'd do the spa thing, and I would kill to go shopping in Boston. I love how that sounds, "Oh I am just going shopping in Boston!" Sounds much more romantic than "I am just driving into Bairnsdale!"
You're all lucky I don't have my travel rites from United, 'cause I'd be there! LOL
I knew you were a smart cookie Bobo, but Attic Greek, in your spare time. That's really something.
I know this sounds nuts, but after my biopsy I used a gel eye mask in my bra. It wasn't frozen, just deliciously cold. They gave me a frozen saline sachet at the Hospital which I used, wrapped in a paper towel.
This time I am really going! Take care all!
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Thanks gals for all the concern about my sleeping problems... yes I have tried sleepy time tea,(all sorts of brands), I have tried melatonin and I dont react well to it, very groggy in morning and didnt put me to sleep long anyway, I tried Valerian Root also, worked a little but it is very constipating! That is usually one problem I dont have and dont need. A few months back a Canadian friend gave me some grovel (think it is like motion sickeness med) and it did help for awhile but not so much now. I hate to take anything but need sleep, I really wonder if lack of sleep can also be of cause of this dreaded cancer??? Who knows? A friend of my mother's never slept well her whole life and she lived to be 90 and was healthy to the end! Hope I can be like her.
Ariom.. I too like the thirft shops, well my maiden name was McDonald so I am a Scot too!! We were in England but didnt make it to Scotland but it is still on my bucket list. i saw on one thread about people and their experiences with celbrities, well while in Bath, England we were sitting having some ice cream and a lady behind me tapped my shoulder and said "you are from America aren't you?" and then she said you may be interested to know that Prince Charles is coming down the street! and sure enough he was so close to us I could have touched him. That was in 1998 so of course no Diana! Would have loved to see her in person!!
Well I am off to try some sleep yoga moves ..maybe that will help???? Thanks all.
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Just so you know it can happen, I had a good fitting for my bra and foob. She didn't use a tape measure at all, just asked what my former bra size was. She came back with a foob and a drawer full of bras. I ended up with a good fit (and not in my pre mx size). The only problem I'm having is that losing 14lbs made my real boob smaller than my foob (they used to match).
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ooh. Called the bra store. They wanted me to call BS for a prescription! Sweating as I did so. Hate talking to the secretaries, coordinator, etc. A million mistakes ensue. Hate hearing the word 'prosthesis.'
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I too hate the word prosthesis. Sound like something you have to write to graduate from college.
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Oh geez I googled prosthesis and got drawn in to one of the results, a prosthetic for a part of male anatomy or sex change to male anatomy, no not the banana, the kumquats. Then I read Arioms post and googled Just Bitten. Cannot wait to see what spam emails I'm in for!!
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Bobogirl, why not call them Stunt Breasts instead of Prosthesis?
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