I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!
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I'm pretty sure he has it, and more serious symptoms than he's letting on. Someone so egotistical & macho (macho enough to insist on walking to & from the chopper in a suit & tie) would never have agreed to shoot a pre-flight "proof of life video" sans bronzer, even if only 18 seconds long. He looked and sounded tired, and as pale as any uber-Aryan could look and still have rosacea. A definite "tell" is that he didn't Tweet for 14 hrs., and when he did, they were short, vague, normally-capitalized and coherent sentences. Which means he didn't feel well enough to write (and probably didn't post) a Tweet so an aide must have done it.
That one 8 mg Regenera polyclonal antibody infusion could be technically performed in the WH medical office. But the "abundance of caution" that sent him to Walter Reed translates to: he's going to need several infusions, be given some oral meds, and need to be constantly monitored. And that's simply impossible at the WH--even in the medical office capable of delivering a baby. Yes, Walter Reed's Presidential floor & suite has a fully-equipped business office so he can (ostensibly) continue "working" (as opposed to rage-Tweeting) while ambulatory. But I wouldn't be surprised to later find out that as soon as the press was out of sight, off with the suit & tie, on with the Johnny-gown, and straight to a bed. (The room is almost certainly telemetry-equipped for constant monitoring of his vitals (turning it into a solo ICU), and can likely accommodate a ventilatore or even an ECMO.
What's keeping me from unleashing my schadenfreude and desperately trying (after the Vidui communal confession on Yom Kippur) to tamp down that impulse? The realization of exactly how fast the virus spreads. Even more worrisome (I prefer that to "concerning," which is a verb or a gerund, not an adjective) is how many in his orbit, the line of succession have been exposed--even Pelosi, who spent hours trying to negotiate with Mnuchin as to a new emergency COVID-relief package. And while I expect a change of staff & Cabinet-nominees come 1/20/20 should (please, Lord) Biden win, it's damn scary to realize how much of the Exec. Branch & Congress is in peril right now, with no understudies waiting in the wings. I do see the following scenario, though: as he gets sicker & sicker, he will invoke the part of the 25th Amdmt. that requires a President to inform Congress if (s)he expects to undergo a procedure for which he'd need to be knocked out, and pass the reins to a Veep even if only expecting to be incapacitated for a short time. He would invoke that for Pence, and in return for Pence's vote, Pence would pardon him for Federal crimes. Should Trump recover, he would be able to reclaim the Presidency, secure in the knowledge he would never serve a day in a Federal slammer--and likely stall NYS' efforts long enough to die before the litigation does.
We nay not have to worry about Barrett getting confirmed: 2 of the 12 GOP Sens. on the Judiciary Committee need to vote in person to conduct its business--including even holding hearings, much less voting the nomination through to a floor vote. But 2 GOP committee members--Lee and Tillis--tested positive and are quarantining, preventing them from voting (which in the Senate cannot be done remotely or by proxy). So with Judiciary tied 10-10, the nom can't go forward. Speaking of Barrett, though, she tested negative--no doubt thanks to antibodies she built up after getting a milder case herself earlier in the pandemic.
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"You see, we are here, as far as I can tell, to help each other; our brothers, our sisters, our friends, our enemies. That is to help each other and not hurt each other."
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Ron Johnson now has positive test for the virus:
October 2, 2020 (Friday)
Today's media was consumed with news of the spread of coronavirus to the president and First Lady, as well as concern over the degree to which it has spread to other people associated with the White House. A number of those who attended the Rose Garden announcement of Trump's nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court have tested positive. That number includes the Trumps, Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC), Senator Mike Lee (R-UT), and Fr. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame. Also infected are Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the Republican National Committee, and at least three journalists who have attended White House events in the past week.
And tonight, presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway reported that she, too, has tested positive.
As I write this, just before midnight, Trump's campaign manager Bill Stepien has just announced he, too, has tested positive for the coronavirus.
Five minutes after midnight (sorry for breaking the midnight rule again), we learned that 11 staffers from the Cleveland debate also tested positive.
We will not learn of infections among the Secret Service.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tested negative, as have Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden.
This evening, medical professionals transferred the president to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center "out of an abundance of caution." He walked from the helicopter under his own power, and posted a short video to his Twitter account assuring viewers that he is doing "very well." He remains in charge; power has not transferred to Vice President Mike Pence.
Aside from the personal implications of the spread of this illness—and let's remember that there are 46,459 other Americans who have contracted the coronavirus in the last day-- this major news story has huge implications for the upcoming election. It also illustrates how the administration's secrecy and lies take away our ability to make informed decisions about our own lives, as well as about the nation.
The Trump entourage has refused to wear masks, social distance, or follow the advice of public health experts for reducing the spread of the virus. Now it appears that White House officials deliberately withheld information about their condition, directly endangering other people who acted on the presumption that the Trump people weren't infected. The Washington Post reported that Secret Service agents, who risk their lives to protect the president, are angry and frustrated: "He's never cared about us." The 30-50 Republican donors who met with Trump Thursday night at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, are "freaking out," one report noted. Tickets had cost up to $250,000, and Trump met privately with about 19 people for 45 minutes. Trump knew his adviser Hope Hicks had tested positive when he left for the club, but he went anyway. He did not wear a mask.
Reporter Chris Wallace of the Fox News Channel, who moderated Tuesday's debate and so was one of those the Trumps' entourage endangered, revealed today that Trump arrived too late on Tuesday for a COVID-19 test, as the venue required. Instead, there was an "honor system." Organizers assumed the people associated with the campaigns would not come unless they had tested negative. Trump's people arrived wearing masks, which they had to have to enter the auditorium, but then removed them shortly after sitting down, and refused to put them back on. During the debate, Trump mocked Biden for his habit of wearing a mask.
The campaign did not tell the Biden camp that Hicks, who attended the debate, had tested positive for coronavirus the day after the event. The Biden organization learned it from the newspapers. The White House did not even tell former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who spent four days in close quarters with Hicks and Trump, helping the president prepare for the debate. He, too, learned the news from the media.
This crisis shows how the administration's refusal to share information and its insistence on its own version of reality creates confusion that leaves Americans vulnerable and anxious. Its history of secrecy and lies means that few people actually trust anything its spokespeople say. It was striking how many people did not believe the Trumps were actually sick when the news broke; we are so accustomed to Trump's lies that many people thought he was simply looking for a way out of future debates.
The constant lies—about coronavirus and virtually everything else—destabilize the nation because we cannot know what the truth really is. And if we don't know what is actually happening, we cannot make good decisions. Today the editorial board of the Washington Post warned that the White House simply must let us know the truth about the president's health so that we know who is actually running national security, the economy, and the election on our behalf.
That plea did not appear to make much of an impression on the White House: it did not bother to tell Pelosi, who is third in line for the presidency, that Trump was being helicoptered to Walter Reed Hospital.
And so we are facing a pandemic spreading through the upper ranks of the government just before an election with little faith that we will learn the truth about what is happening. That, just as much as the infections in the administration, is a crisis.
To its credit, the Biden campaign has identified this crisis and is doing its best to restore our sense of a shared reality, based in our history and our better principles. Rather than expressing outrage that the Trump camp exposed him and his wife and guests to coronavirus, Biden offered his best wishes for Trump and the First Lady, as did his running mate Kamala Harris. Biden's campaign pulled all its negative ads out of respect for the president's illness (the Trump campaign refused to follow suit).
Biden spoke in Michigan today, assuring the audience that "We can get this pandemic under control so we can get our economy working again for everyone." But, he emphasized, "this cannot be a partisan moment. It must be an American moment. We have to come together as a nation." He promised to get rid of the toxic partisanship that is keeping us all off balance. "I'm running as a Democrat," he said, "but I will… govern as an American president. Whether you voted for me or against me, I will represent you... and those who see each other as fellow Americans who just don't live in red states or blue states but who live in and love the United States of America. That's who we are."
To an increasingly weary country, he offered hope that we really can heal the nation's ills. "There's never been a single solitary thing America's been unable to do. Think of this. Not once. Not a single thing we've not been able to overcome when we've done it together. So let's get the heck up. Remember who in God's name we are. This is the United States of America," he said. "There's nothing beyond our capacity."
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You can fill in the KellyAnne Conway and Chris Christie squares.on your Trump Covid Bingo card.
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Haha! Pupmom, love the meme and Ruth, touché on the bingo card!
Jackie, this paragraph that you shared says so much:
“This crisis shows how the administration's refusal to share information and its insistence on its own version of reality creates confusion that leaves Americans vulnerable and lus. Its history of secrecy and lies means that few people actually trust anything its spokespeople say. It was striking how many people did not believe the Trumps were actually sick when the news broke; we are so accustomed to Trump's lies that many people thought he was simply looking for a way out of future debates.“
Sandy, thanks for your take on what's going on. I always appreciate your observations and insight!
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The new season of Saturday Night Live starts tonight.
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BREAKING NEWS
The White House physician indicated President Trump was diagnosed earlier than known. Chris Christie, the former N.J. governor, tested positive.
Saturday, October 3, 2020 12:44 PM EST
President Trump is doing "very well" as he undergoes treatment for the coronavirus, according to Dr. Sean Conley, the White House doctor, but he declined to provide nearly any specifics.
Dr. Conley raised more questions than he answered by saying the president is "72 hours into" his diagnosis. The White House told reporters at around 1 a.m. on Friday morning that the president had tested positive for the virus, just 35 hours before the briefing.
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After reading the above, It becomes possibly clearer why Trump needed to 'fall' heir to ( aside from being the Oval Office occupant ) a more stringent tx. and hospitalization. Did someone mis-speak or was it done deliberately. There are now many more questions in my mind. Some would say no reason now to be VERY snarky, but I think many people have been able to observe that in matters like this to Trump, the more the merrier. If he has to suffer he seems to want plenty of company. Oddly, if this is akin to his deranged thinking he seems to have not cared one iota that the people he might be infecting were other Reps. A lot of people, in this case, would have wanted perhaps to inflict damage/pain/distress on perceived enemies -- but Trump just wants to make sure others come along w/o seeming to care whom.
All the more proof that his mental processes do not always allow him to think in anything coming close to a rational way. I will be waiting for anymore of this coming down the pike. Noted -- the list of WH/Reps. is increasing. Chris Christie. Now were I him, with the amt. of wt. he carries I would be really nervous.
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He KNEW he was positive before going to Minnesota on Wednesday and to New Jersey on Thursday. He met privately with a lot of high dollar donors on both trips, putting their lives in danger as well as all the "little people" he put at risk. From what I've heard, those donors, many of them elderly, are pissed at him. I hope they ask for their money back. Would serve them right.
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I say not on your chinny, chin, chin.
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Filed under " you can say that again. "
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The Latest: Source: Trump got oxygen Friday at White House
There are definitely two narratives going on - the official rosy version, and the "on condition of anonymity" version.
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betting the farm if he appears to get through fine, he'll continue to downplay covid.
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Now he’s calling it the plague.
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You know, you really can't trust much of what you hear from Trump and so many of the Reps. that obviously will follow his lead about what you are or are not told. It is tiresome to the extreme and just a really lousy aspect of how this last four yrs. has been so wearing. Even if Trump were better ( so highly un-likely in his aberrated mental condition ) the lies and lack of transparency along with inability to trust would likely be more than enough for me to not want him around -- that is before we get to all the rest like kids in cages, walking out on the Kurds etc.
Calls Grow for Full Transparency on Trump's Status Following Hospitalization
Jessica Corbett, Common Dreams
Public watchdogs are arguing for an independent medical evaluation due to the Trump administration's record of deceit.
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Latest COVID Antibodies Study Shows Herd Immunity Strategy Is "Highly Unethical"
Igor Derysh, Salon
With less than 10 percent of U.S. adults carrying antibodies, researchers also found herd immunity to be "unachievable."
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What makes IllinoisLady's link even worse is that COVID is already mutating into different strains that are not necessarily resisted by the same antibodies. So you can potentially catch it multiple times. As of now, doctors think that having had one COVID strain may give you at least some resistance (i.e. milder symptoms) should you be exposed again. Another thing that's been noticed is that after you recover from it, you can be more vulnerable to normal colds and flus. COVID's effects on the immune system are weird.
From my own experiences, I tested positive to COVID but negative on the antibody test after my isolation period. There are several reasons why antibodies might not show up - my levels hadn't yet reached detectable levels in the blood sample, it was a false negative, or my antibodies didn't last past the infection. I certainly hope I'm stronger for going through it.
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