I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!
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I can't believe how close GA has become. 25,000 vote spread, down from a few 100,000 this morning. The Atlanta ballots must be finally getting counted. The post office sweeps that DeJoy is resisting may be important at the wire.
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I hope that judge in DC holds DeJoy in contempt and puts him in a cell until it's done.
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Put DeJoy in DeJail. (A contempt citation is solely the judge's call and rarely appealable). A fine or "sanctions" is useless--there's plenty of GOP money to pay it. But you can't bail your way out of a jail sentence for contempt: the only way out is either by complying with the order, or the judge deciding you've learned your lesson. (The latter is how journalists' contempt jail sentences for refusing to reveal a source end--because compliance would be a gross violation of journalistic ethics).
Still over 200K GA mail-in ballots not yet counted--most of them in Atlanta, Macon, Savannah and their suburbs (heavily POC). Joy Reid is correct: if Biden wins, the DNC needs to acknowledge that it's the African-American vote (especially women) that has made the difference in every state--not the "unicorn" Obama-Trump exurban blue-collar white voters the party has been trying to woo back for the last four years. And it's way past time to give the Black voters more than a "thank you."
Watching Chris Hayes interview two pollsters about how wrong the polls were--they're yakking about changing methodologies, yada yada. The answer is simple: people LIE. They want to impress pollsters and appear more altruistic and thoughtful than they really are. I take lots of YouGov polls, and that's because I joined their site and am willing to answer the questions (which are anonymous). There's an inherent bias in polling too--the lowest-info voters, as well as conservatives who've soured on "politicians" don't participate because pollsters are part of the "system" they don't trust. I had dismissed the notion of the 2016 "shy Trump voter" reappearing in 2020, largely because nowadays Trump supporters are overt, vocal and passionate in their support of him--in 2016, many of them were embarrassed to admit their support, but now the "cult" is out in the open and they're proud to be part of it. But if they don't get asked, they don't get to answer; and then the pundits invariably ask, gobsmacked, "how did we get it so wrong?" DUH.
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I wonder just how many folks in this vast country -- as well as folks in other parts of the world -- are about to get, or are just now getting, the best night of sleep they've had in ---- wait for it --
YEARS????
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Good opinion piece from Thomas Friedman.
"Whatever the final vote, it is already clear that the number of Americans saying, 'Enough is enough' was not enough," said Dov Seidman, an expert on leadership and author of the book "How: Why How We Do Anything Means Everything."
"There was no blue political wave," he noted. "But, more importantly, there was no moral wave. There was no widespread rejection of the kind of leadership that divides us, especially in a pandemic."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/opinion/trump-b...
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glennie- that Friedman piece is what bothers me most about the results (so far). That people actually chose trump and all he stands for just makes me angry and sad. In 2016 there was hope (small though) that he might not be as bad as was feared. But no excuse to be ignorant in 2020
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Ruth, your meme asking what if they lose? And what if they win? actually brought me to tears, and I’m not a crying kind of gal.
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Oh boy. I never post but so worried that there are not enough votes left to be counted in PA or GA. Have been so depressed for last 4 years and can't bear another 4. Praying.. You ladies keep me sane.
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lyzzysmom, I feel exactly the same way. I just wish this would be over! (With a Biden win, obviously.)
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Yeah, me too.... and trying to rationalize, "but it can't get any worse"..... And then again.... how much worse could it get? I pray for new tennants in the White House.
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Yes, I'm getting nervous again, too, and trying to distract myself. I made an excellent batch of chocolate chip cookies yesterday; they're so tasty and I think it's because I had to use extra brown sugar in place of white sugar since I'd run out of it. Sort of stress eating those. I can't tell if I'm nauseous from eating so many or because I'm waiting for those ballots to be counted. Prolly both. Ruth, you like your Peppermint Patties frozen, I love frozen homemade chocolate chip cookies.
While we're Biden our time waiting for votes to be counted (ha, ha, I came up with that all on my own), here's a side story. A FB acquaintance who's a Trumper but never discusses it on FB did post that she worked the polls. She mentioned a voter required an extreme amount of patience to get things right, and he returned afterwards with flowers to thank her for her help. Then she put something like, 'hate to break it to all of you but no matter who we vote for, a majority of us are decent, caring people. Don't forget that'.
I mean, I won't respond. But this screams white female privilege to me. She's a married, educated, well-off woman. Has she not seen the news? The white supremacy? Domestic terrorists plotting to kill the Michigan governor? Police brutality? The headstones in a Jewish cemetery spray painted with Trumps initials in red on election day? The Trump train caravans intimidating and bullying people.........
I'm not sure what makes her think she can speak for the "majority" of people. But she's a big church-goer. And both society and religion condition women to reflect only the bright, perky, positive side of life, stick a great big neon pink ribbon right over that breast tumor you got there and smile for the camera.
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Divine... It's like they refuse to ever think he as a REPUBLICAN would ever do anything wrong! That is the worst part... So whatever he does or says, it's okay...
They think the virus will just wear itself out... over time... That people are gonna die no matter what... That riots are just people's way of letting off steam... And they think it perfectly fine for him to say and do anything he wants, because he is their God and their ruler... He is the REPUBLICAN they want. Come hell or high-water....
I see where Kanye just gave it up... Hah! I wouldn't vote for THAT clown either, even if he was Democrat! Can't America do any better than this?
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Can't wait for this nightmare to be officially over!
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What I don't understand is why ALL of the EC votes go strictly to the winner. If you have results like, 51 to 49, why is it not a % that go to each candidate? Doesn't that seem more fair, and more in align with what the people of the state want? Yes, I realize that 51 is a majority, but it is barely one. *grumbling**
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I hate the Electoral College. It should not be winner takes all. It should at least be modified so that the votes are split up by the percentage of the vote a candidate gets......say a state has 10 electoral votes. Candidate A gets 60% of the popular vote so gets 6 electoral votes. Candidate B gets 30% so gets 3 votes, a third party candidate gets 10% of the vote, so gets 1 electoral vote etc.
Sure Donald, lets stop counting the votes an right now. Joe is ahead at the moment..... declare him the winner and be done with it.
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Colorado just passed a referendum to join the National Popular Vote Compact. Our 9 electoral votes brings the compact up to 196 electors. Just 74 more to go to backdoor the electoral college!
I just realized another reason why the EC needs to go. It's like averaging averages - a big mathematical no-no. So the state reflects the choice of the average voter, then the EC reflects the vote of the average state. The fact that it's scaled to populations does skew the parallel a bit, but the issue it points to is still relevant. At the very least, the all-for-one rule should be abolished.
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Love it!!
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The GA gap is down to 14,000!! Good thing I don't wear fingernails, otherwise I'd be chewing them off.
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I'm just the opposite during the count, DogMomRunner. Normally I would be stress eating carbs, but I haven't been able to get anything down since Tuesday evening. Hell of a way to lose weight.
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Who wants some?
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DogRunner - love that thought - do we get to 270 before the candidate?:
Serenity - hmmm, do the 'squares' happen to be Sanders Dark Chocolate Sea Salt Carmels?
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Minus - Only the brand is off. Made by Carousel in Geneva, IL. If Sanders sells here, I would be happy to do a taste test.
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Oooo - a taste test!!! I get my Sanders at Costco, but the www says they are available at WalMart & Amazon. Looks like Carousel also has dark chocolate sea salt dipped pretzels. I'm sure delicious with wine.
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