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  • valjean
    valjean Member Posts: 1,110
    edited May 2009

    Finally got my books from Amazon today: Anti Cancer-A New Way of Life which I'd pretty much read from the library, but wanted my own copy to refer to. And, Waking the Warrior Goddess. Wow! What a book!! Have tons of pages marked already & started reading from the start & I keep jumping all over. Am so excited about all the great info all in one place!!!!

    More changes to be made in my diet, supplements, etc.

    Val 

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 272
    edited May 2009

    I had to share this new machine that does composting right in our kitchen and it only takes 2 weeks to compost.  I saw it on the History channel yesterday.  It was a show about going green.  What a great idea this is.  Watch the video:

     http://www.naturemill.com/howItWorks.html

  • eleanorj
    eleanorj Member Posts: 28
    edited May 2009

    ok, I'm a bit late on this. Is turmeric & curcumin really that different? I assumed they were the same since curcumin is french for turmeric.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 881
    edited May 2009

    Grace-you are leaving out Vit D, one of the most important. And I question the progesta. Is it a biodentical hormone? Good idea to add the I3C too.

    Deanna, I am taking the grapeseed. Can't hurt. After getting my hormones tested, my doctor wants me to add a small amount of DHEA and digestive enzyme that contain betaine.

    Cebela, from one of my books:

    "Tumeric contains curcumin which can increase the breakdown of cancer causing agent by its direct action on the liver. "    So I guess it is like calling a daffodil a jonquil???

    I also read that curcumin is synergetic with green tea. So take them together and get extra bang for your buck!

    Rosemary, I am going to check out that composter. I am still waiting to get into my garden. I haven't even planted onions yet! The soil is so saturated, I tried to turn it over and it was all clumps, so I have to wait for a dry spell. All my beds are raised too! I did plant some lettuce and spinach in some clay chimney flues that I filled with dirt. I am going to try beets for the first time this year. They have never been a part of my diet, but I now realize how healthy they are. I know I should have listened to my grandmother when she told me to eat the beets!

    Ivory, I am wary about all those hormone compounds. For years we have been told that black cohash should not be taken by bc survivors because it is phytoestrogenic. Yesterday, I read that is not so, and the cohash is safe for treating hot flashes. It still gets me so mad that they will not do definitive studies on all these cheap alternatives.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 2,701
    edited May 2009

    vivre ~  I'm also doing D3, which I think is really important, but forgot to mention above.  And I wanted to add that I use Henry's (which is the smaller Whole Foods market in our area) own brand -- just the 400 IU -- and my D level in the bloodwork I just had done was 78.  Of course, we live in southern California, so get plenty of sunshine as well.  But I was pleased to know that this reasonably priced house brand appears to get well absorbed, and that I don't need to increase my intake, which was one of my questions to my PCP, after seeing how much some women on these boards take (like 2,000IU's & more a day). 

    As far as all those conflicting studies, I think one of the problems is that they often use isolated or even synthetic nutrients when they do them, rather than a natural, whole food source.  If you give a person on a typical American diet any individual nutrient, especially one that's been formulated in a test tube -- like a synthetic C or E, or a cheaply produced herb -- you probably aren't going to get the same results as someone who incorporates a natural supplement or extract from a high quality manufacturer into a diet that is more along the lines of what we're all striving to do.  Just my way of explaining some of those studies that tell us taking vitamins is a waste of money, etc. ~  Deanna

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 272
    edited May 2009

    They have to extract the curcumin from turmeric.  I don't know how much they get, but to my way of thinking you'd have to take a lot of turmeric to get the same amount of curcumin.  The company that sold the curcumin to M.D. Anderson for their research is selling their product on- line. 

    Vivre,

    I wish I had that machine years ago when I was cooking.  I sure could use the compost though.

  • Joyceska
    Joyceska Member Posts: 11
    edited May 2009

    Hi,

    I got a pamphlet at the health food store telling about "Cell Food".  It increases oxygen in your cells.  I have been doing the flax seed oil and cottage cheese but this looks like an easier way to put oxygen in my cells.  Have any of you tried it?  The information is at luminahealth.com

    Joyce

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 3,372
    edited May 2009

    Hi you beauties and smarties,

    ValJean, tell me more about this book: Waking the Warrior Goddess. I have not heard of it, does it have to do with BC?

    I take so many vitamins and supplements I am embarrassed to list them.  I am going to list them all out and take them into my ONC (July) and make sure noting is "contra-indicated". I don't think it will be. I am FEELING great, so that must account for something.

    I am still struggling with the milk! Almond was just ok. Tomorrow, I start on "Oat Milk". And I am getting my tukus to Whole Foods!

    Spring.

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 506
    edited May 2009

    vivre, what is betaine?  And grapeseed isn't estrogenic?  I could swear I've read that it was. 

    Rosemary, I would LOVE one of those composters.  I have plenty of material from my daily jucing and my garden would love it.  

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 2,701
    edited May 2009

    althea ~  Your question to vivre about grape seed extract made me look it up again just now, and here are a couple of articles I found that I think are worth sharing:

    http://www.caring4cancer.com/go/community/forums/p/1805/2069.aspx

    http://www.cityofhope.org/directory/people/chen-shiuan/Pages/chen-laboratory.aspx

    I believe that City of Hope, the prominent NCI-designated cancer hospital in CA, is currently doing a Phase I trial with grape seed extract.  From what I've read, it's a difficult trial to do because our estrogen levels fluctuate normally, so it's hard to get solid readings re. how much estrogen is actually reduced in any given time frame.     Deanna

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 881
    edited May 2009

    Deanna, I would take that caring for cancer site with a grain of salt. Since they have ads for drug companies, it is obvious where they are coming from. That page states that estrogen blockers are still the best way to block recurrance, which is not true. It is simply that estrogen blockers is the preferred way to block estrogen based on their research and their research does not compare using the drugs to using lifestyle changes, which has been my critcism of their "studies" from the getgo. Further down, the article says that diet and exercise reduce risk by 50%, the article contradicts itself! I would like to know what is the difference between diet and exercise cutting risk by 50% and a drug cutting the risk by 50%??? In my case, I have a 10% chance of recurrance, so if I use either, my risk is 5%. Does that mean if I use both, my risk is 0%?? I hate the way they toss these stats out there to suit their own purposes.

    On the grapeseed. I have read a lot about it and never read anything that it is controversial the way that soy is. I have my suspicions that all plants have a phytoestrogen bent to them, depending about how they metabolize. In fact, that is why the controvery over black cohash has existed. It is a phytoestrogen but after they actually studied it, they found that when our bodies metabolized it, it did not show to metabolize the estrogen in it. I am beginning to just conclude that anything that is plant based is okay, as long as we lots of variety and organically as much as possible. I still think that the problems with soy may stem more from the fact that we spray the hell out of the crop. It seems to be a factor in helping asian women have lower bc rates. Maybe they practice organic gardening more.

    Spring-have you tried Rice drink? I use to be a big milk drinker but after reading Dr. Plant's book I gave it up. I use the rice drink on my cereal and do not even notice the difference. The vanilla flavored stuff tastes pretty good.

    Althea- betaine an essential enzyme derived from beets. The reason my doctor wants me to take it is because it might help to support levels of what is called methylation which determines how we metabolize estrogen. Don't ask me to explain, but my doctor has studied this extensively so I am just going to take her word for it!

    Joyce, that whole cell food thing just seems a bit like snake oil to me. It may sound great, but I have not heard anyone mention it before, so I am suspect. A lot of these kind of suppliers were at the health expo last year, and I just felt like they were saying a lot without anything to back it up.

  • Joyceska
    Joyceska Member Posts: 11
    edited May 2009

    I am hoping to exchange flax seed oil for a better tasting substitute.  Oh well I will continue to research.  How do you know if it is working?  Can we tell?

    Another question....I see everyone is getting rid of dairy products but I don't know why?  What is it about dairy that is so bad?   I am trying to take what I need to keep cancer from returning.  I take so many things I wonder what really works and what doesn't.  Mine was triple neg and is known for returning so I am wanting to do the correct thing but there is so much out there to chose from.  I don't want to chose wrong, as you can all understand.  I need a lot more knowledge on the subject.  I am increasing my CoQ10 after reading about it here and I do take turmeric, Vitamin D, garlic and cinnamon.  What is good for bursitus?  

    Joyce

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 2,701
    edited May 2009

    vivre ~ You are absolutely right about taking that cancer site information with a grain of salt -- or at least recognizing that the information I referenced is from a nutritionist, who, I assumed was something like a registered dietitian, and not going to write anything that would be anti-traditional medicine.  On the other hand, I liked the article because it acknowledges the benefit of exercise, which you and I agree is so key to staying healthy.  In general, I tend to skim these articles, take what I feel is important, ignore the bias, and assume others do the same.  But I guess I should be more careful to point out when I don't agree with certain points, lest you assume I do.  

    On the subject of spraying crops vs. organic gardening, did anyone else hear the fascinating piece on NPR yesterday, about the increase in cancer in the farming communities of Punjab, India that have adopted Western farming practices in recent years? 

    ".. research by one of the most respected medical institutes in India recently found that farming villages using large amounts of pesticides have significantly higher rates of cancer than villages that use less of the chemicals."

    Here's the full story:  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103569390

      Deanna 

  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 536
    edited May 2009

    Good Evening Ladies! I have a question, I am taking a ton of supplements, in the last week or so my tongue has been sore and quite red, today its REALLY sore, anyone know of any supplement that may cause this? I googled and its seems it might be VitD3, has anyone else experienced anything like this?

    thanks!

    Lorraine

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 881
    edited May 2009

    Joyce-here is a link an article about Jane Plant's theory of the connectiong with bc and dairy:

    http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lnotmilk6.htm 

    Wow, Lorraine, it sure sounds like you are having an allergic reaction to something? I know that certain food additives can cause swelling. Have you eaten in a resturant that might have used msg or something? My husband use to have reactions sometimes when I made tacos. It was wierd because lots of time he would be fine. We wondered if it was the spices. Then I realized that some of mixes had msg, which can cause these reactions. Now I look carefully for MSG in everything. You would be amazed at how much food it is put into.

  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 536
    edited May 2009

    Hey Vivre, nope haven't had anything different, I have been eating very healthy, juicing, organic veggies and fruit, oatmeal the usual suspects.....its not swollen at all, just sore, very strange! I did add tumeric to my supplements about 2 weeks ago, this tongue thing started about a week ago and just today got a little worse.  I was at the naturopathic doc yesterday and she gave me a B12 shot, I was wondering if that may have made it worse, but I don't think honestly that could be it as I had it before, and of course forgot to ask yesterday duh!!!!! I have been eating a ton of apples and fruit so maybe the citrus?? who knows! I appreciate the input! thanks! ox

    Lorraine

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 2,701
    edited May 2009

    Lorraine ~  Have you eaten any fresh pineapple?  It makes my tongue sore, but it also gives me hives (like an allergic reaction).  Strawberries can also do it if you happen to be sensitive to them. 

    Interesting that your naturopathic doc gave you a B12 shot.  My PCP, who also just did a bunch of bloodwork, gave me an RX for a heavy-duty prescription natural vitamin that contains Folic Acid, B6 & B12.   Chemo seems to have elevated both my cholesterol and my homocysteine levels, and she said it will help with that.  I haven't picked it up yet, but I thought it was interesting that it's an RX for vitamins, or, as they call it, "a medical food."  She also wants me to take Evista -- if my onc okay's it.  I've  heard of it, but have to read up on it.  If anyone knows anything about it (good? bad?), please let me know!    Deanna

  • valjean
    valjean Member Posts: 1,110
    edited May 2009

    Spring ~ Waking the Warrior Goddess - Harnessing the Power of Nature & Natural Medicines to Achieve Extraordinary Health by: Christine Horner, M.D., F.A.C.S. is a book that describes in detail how to naturally fight BC.

    From the back: " Using the metaphor of the Warrior Goddess, this book explains what Ayurveda-an ancient system of healing-describes as our "inner healing intelligence." It explores the various foods, supplements, & health-promoting strategies that can enable women to successfully fight breast cancer & claim the healthy body that should be theirs. Dr. Horner explains what to avoid & what to embrace, what will poison the Warroir Goddess & what will feed her, & what she needs to thrive."

     Dr. Horner is the one who spearheaded the federal law to mandate insurance companies to pay for a women's reconstruction after she has had a mastectomy. She does advocate soy & I am not sure about that, but most of the information seems to be what everyone on this Natural Girl thread talks about. It's great to have it in front of me to use as a 'bible' of sorts. It's a 30-day program to change your life to be more natural.

    Natural healing ~ I like the sound of that.....

    (((hug)))

    Val

  • Susers
    Susers Member Posts: 22
    edited May 2009

    Ladies - Oh boy it  has been 3 days since I have been able to get back on here and OH BOY was there a lot of  catching up and note taking to do!

    Fairy 49 - Wow! I just started taking D3 and I have had a sore tongue for the last week. In the past, exposing my tongue to too much sugar did this to me (I normally eat very little). I had to suck on a cough drop the other night and thought that was doing it along with my increase in eating watermelon lately. Now you have me wondering about the D3. My teeth have also become more sensitive?

    FlaLady - If a nutritionist is not the way to go - what do you recommend and how do you find them. I need to partner up with someone who has experience now that I have chosen to head down the natural path exclusively.

    SoapSung - My mother was having horrible heartburn and after numerous tests they found no issues. She started this amazing diet that balances your acid and alkaline levels based on what you eat and the foods you combine together. She has lost 14 lbs! To our surprise lemons were not acid, they were alkaline. I bet that is why the lemons are working. They are nuetralizing the acid. Here is a chart on acid and alkaline foods. http://www.energiseforlife.com/list_of_alkaline_foods.php .

    The diet or food regime she is using is from and created by Sherry Bresica, the plan is called Great Taste No Pain http://www.greattastenopain.com/great.asp . It has nothing to do with cancer, but a lot to do with your digestive system. A highly acid digetive system is the cause for numerous health problems and some people state that it is tied to an increased cancer risk. I now it looks suspect or a gimic, but I have looked over the material and it make sooo much sense.

    Everyone - Where do you start your cancer free anniversay from? Your surgery date or the day you finished treatment?

    Also, I was never told my risk of recurrance. What test does that? What do I ask for?

    xoxoxoxox Susers

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 272
    edited May 2009

    I was just reading that it is imperative to take calcium, magnesium and phosphorus with that vitamin D.  It seems that taking D without them allows our body to absorb more metals.  We really don't want to absorb metals if we can avoid it. They found aluminum deposits in the brains of those with Alzheimers, so I avoid aluminum like its the plague.

    About that DHEA:

    "Although DHEA is generally considered safe for consumption at 50 mg per day, it increases estrogen and testosterone levels which in turn could increase cancer risk," Weiss explained. "Therefore, DHEA supplementation should be avoided in men and women who have had cancer or who have a strong family history of cancer until further research can establish whether or not it is safe for these individuals."

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-05/slu-asb051109.php

    I use to consider my anniversay to be the day of my operation and I already forgot what day that was, so then I changed it to the day I started taking arimidex.  That day I can remember, that morning sticks out in my mind because I stared at the pill for so long before I took it.  It turned out all my fears were unwarranted.  Thankfully

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 3,372
    edited May 2009

    Vivre,

    Thanks for the Jane Plant link, I am printing it right now. 

    The only Rice milk I've tried so far is "Rice Dream" but it had safflower oil, and I thought we were to avoid that?   (Anti-Cancer book). I have to check ths carefully again... It is certainly easy to find.

    Spring.

  • havehope
    havehope Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2009

    I have a question about CoQ10. Have any of you check with a cardiologist before you started to take this supplement? I know it is also used to reduce high blood pressure and I have low blood pressure ( 100 over 60 is my normal blood pressure) so I don't need to lower it even more. Any suggestions?

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 881
    edited May 2009

    Rosemary, I know that too much DHEA is not good, but my numbers were very low. That is why she told me to take a very small does of 5 mg.

    Susers-it is not true that that book has nothing to do with bc. Digestion is the key to everything that happens to our bodies. It is all about the gut. That is why nutrtion is such powerful medicine. If we do not give our cells what they need to be healthy so they can do their job, we have problems. The ailments may vary, but the root cause is always the same. As the saying goes, we are what we eat!

    Springitme-I use organic Rice drink from Trader Joes. They all have some oil in them, but what can I do, I have to drink something. This one is fortified with vitamins too. It comes in one of those cartons that is kept on the shelf and your refrigerate after opening. Next thing we know, these cartons will be carcingenic too!

    I think our only hope is to go back to the farm!

  • havehope
    havehope Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2009

    I happen to disagree about cutting diary from our diet. I believe it is wrong to try to replicate another continent's diet.  Please don't forget each of us is different and what works for one person might not work for another. There is a general con sense on some items but just because one person, in this case, Jane Plant, believes (there is no proof what so ever that what she proposed will work or what she claims about Chinese not eating milk is true. I know more that one Chinese family that consume diary products and don't have breast cancer) that removing diary is the way to go. Diary products are very import to our diet.

    Here is somebody else's opinion about milk - Nina Plank:

    http://www.ninaplanck.com/index.php?article=milk_is_good

    Real Milk is Good for You

    As the dentists (and the dairy board) never tire of repeating, milk is good for you. It contains complete proteins (and the right balance of amino acids), healthy fats (both saturated and unsaturated), and many essential vitamins and minerals, including B12 (essential for vegetarians), phosphorous, and calcium. The calcium in dairy foods may aid weight loss through its effects on hormones and fat storage. Designed as it was for the exclusive nourishment of babies, milk is a complete food and nearly perfect.

    But all milk is not created equal. There is a big difference between the milk from modern factory farms and the milk we drank 10,000 years ago when we first began to corral and milk wild ruminants-or even the milk most Americans drank only 50 years ago, when farmers, like my great aunt Esther in Milford, Illinois, kept a cow. Traditional milk is grass-fed, raw, and unhomogenized. Industrial milk is grain-fed, pasteurized, and homogenized. Real milk is better for you than the industrial kind, and its superior flavor is unmistakable.

    Traditional milk comes from cows fed chiefly or-ideally-exclusively on grass and hay. Industrial milk comes from cows fed an unnatural diet of corn, grain, and soy beans. Compared to grain-fed milk, grass-fed dairy foods contain more omega-3 fats, more vitamin A, and more beta carotene and other antioxidants. Grass-fed dairy foods contain conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), a polyunsaturated, omega-6 fat which fights cancer and prevents heart disease. CLA disappears when dairy cows are fed grain. Industrial milk comes from cows treated with the genetically engineered hormone rBGH. Such milk contains high levels of the naturally occurring growth hormone IGF-1, which is linked to breast cancer. IGF-1 is identical in cows and humans.

    Traditional milk is raw. Industrial milk is pasteurized, a form of sterilization that kills the living organisms in milk, both beneficial and pathogenic. The most gentle form of pasteurization-preferred by dairy farmers and cheese makers for whom quality is paramount-heats the milk to 145 degrees Fahrenheit for 30 minutes. Standard pasteurization heats the milk to 161 degrees Fahrenheit for 15 seconds. Ultra-pasteurized milk is held under pressure at 280 degrees Fahrenheit for two seconds. Milk labeled UHT-for ultra high temperature-is ultra-pasteurized and then packaged in aseptic boxes sterilized with hydrogen peroxide. UHT milk lasts for months without chilling.

    Traditional milk is unhomogenized. In real milk, the cream separates from the milk and rises to the top. Homogenization forces the fat particles through a fine mesh, breaking them into particles too tiny to separate. The cream never rises. Homogenization is entirely unnecessary and ruinous for flavor and texture. It breaks up the delicate fats in milk, producing off flavors and causing it to sour more quickly.

    ===============================================================

    Here is information on milk from her book:

    Milk is rich in vitamins and minerals. It contains potassium and vitamins C and B. Milk is the major source of the fat-soluble vitamins A and D in the American diet. Dairy foods also reduce oral acidity (which causes decay) stimulate saliva and inhibits plaques and cavities.

    Good thins in milk

    Complete protein to build and repair tissues and bones

    Vit A for healthy skin, eyes, bones and teeth

    Vit D to aid calcium and phosphorus absorption and for bones and teeth

    Thiamine to help turn carbohydrates into energy and aid appetite and growth

    Riboflavin for healthy skin, eyes, and nerve

    Niacin for growth and development, healthy nerves, and digestion

    Vit B6 to build body tissues, produces antibodies, and prevents heart diseases

    Vit B12 for healthy red blood cells, nerves, and digestion, and to prevent heart disease

    Pantothenic acid to turn carbohydrates and fat into energy

    Folic acid to promote the formation of red blood cells and prevent birth defects and hearth disease

    Calcium to make strong bones and teeth, also aids heartbeat, muscle and nerve function

    Magnesium for strong bones and teeth

    Phosphorus for strong bones and teeth

    Zinc for tissue repair, growth, and fertility

    ============================================================

    I do not advocate either way. I just recommend reading more opinions on both sides before taking such a drastic decision to remove diary from their diet and please check with a doctor before you do that. I am not ready to give up on milk and try to supplement everything that I will miss by not drinking milk. Also, I don't believe anybody can replicate the perfect composition of all the vitamins that exist naturally in milk.

    Sorry for the long post. 

  • Susers
    Susers Member Posts: 22
    edited May 2009

    Virve - You are so right and I probably should have rephrased that and I was afraid that it would not come across correctly. Thank you for correcting me on that. I certainly do not want to give people the wrong information. The book itself does not focus on cancer. Sorry about that.

     I could not agree with you more that our health revolves around our gut and intestines. That is why I am a huge advocate of Prebiotics and Prodiotics. I know a lot of people don't like talking about BM's, but daily proper elimination is critical to your overall health and well-being. I eat so much fiber that it is crazy and still I do not eliminate properly. That is where making sure a proper balance of good bacteria in your gut and intestines is so very important.

    My nutritionist told me that chemo really does a number on your intestines and can effect things long after treatment. I am taking Glutagenics by Metagenics right now. It containst L-Glutamine,DGL and aloe which is supposed to be improing my gastrointestinal lining.

  • anondenet
    anondenet Member Posts: 261
    edited May 2009

    simvog,

    I'm with you. Jane Plant's book NEVER established that dairy caused cancer. It was just her own personal story with dubious footnotes that never established dairy caused cancer either. Plant's book has been discredited because she tried to connect dots and failed.

    Raw, unprocessed dairy is a nutrient-dense food. There are so many myths about dairy. I've given up trying to point people to the actual facts. I get my raw butter, raw cheese and organic meat from the Amish. They only use old breeds of cows that produce a kind of milk that is not only unpasteurized, but is chemically different than commercial dairy farmers' milk.

    http://www.realmilk.com/what.html

  • AccidentalTourist
    AccidentalTourist Member Posts: 72
    edited May 2009

    I know I go on about Jane Plant's book but the woman is a renowned scientist, had five recurrences, the last one with mets and researched and changed her diet when they told her she had three months to live.  I don't agree that it is just her personal story with dubious footnotes.  In her book she discredits people who attempted to discredit as being in one way or another connected to dairy industry (mostly through funding).  Anyhow I don't think I should tell anyone what to do, I just think that people should read her theory about dairy's implication in breast cancer and then make up their own mind.  Personally, it makes sense (and she documents this) that milk is full of growth hormones because it is intended for babies of the species who need to grow rapidly.  No other animal continues to consume milk after the initial stage.  Some Chinese do consume dairy but mostly the ones who have adopted western lifestyle.  Again she documents with research and charts that Chinese who live big cities like Shanghai and Beijing who have adopted western diet have higher incidents of breast cancer.  She also advocate soy and that is another controversial topic.  It is interesting that Dr Horner's book who several people have recommended (I haven't read it but intend to) also recommends soy for breast cancer.

    I don't always follow what Jane Plant advocates mainly because her lifestyle is rather restricting (eg she filters, boils and bottles water into glass bottles for drinking on the go).  I think that one has to go through what she had gone through to be so disciplined but she has sold me the dairy theory (as you can tell).  I hope I don't offend anyone with this I just feel that anyone who has had bc should read her theory on dairy before they reject it.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 881
    edited May 2009

    Anom and Accidental. I actually agree with you both. I think Jane Plant's research in well grounded and I can tell you I feel so much better without all the diary. I also believe that raw dairy products are okay in moderation. That is why I do use the imported or Amish butter, in small amounts and imported, hormone free cheese, also in smaller amounts than I use to consume. I could never be as strict as Plant is about everything else now that I am past recovery, but I think her idea of a totally cleansing diet during treatments is a good protocol. There is no one answer that is for sure. One of the things that I never realized before is how much hormones we get from cheap ground beef, which often comes from dairy cattle. So now, when I have beef, I make sure it is grass fed, black angus.

    Susers- have you tried magnesium to help with your regularity? I take  a mineral multi at bedtime. It not only helps me sleep, but gets everything working really well in the morning. LOL

    Another thing that really makes a difference is digestive enzymes. There is so little enzymes left in our depleted soils, that we do not get the benefits from eating veggies like we should. I use to have heartburn, but it is all gone now that I changed my diet and added all these supplements.

  • anondenet
    anondenet Member Posts: 261
    edited May 2009

    What we believe vs. what we scrutinize for accuracy 

    I'm sure whatever you feel is good for you and your digestion will contribute to your health. But if you are open to information and not just belief, consider this. It doesn't matter who Jane Plant's critics are if they point to factual errors in her work and theory. Facts are facts whether they are presented by the dairy industry,  an independent college professor or a bus driver.

    The author of THE CHINA STUDY also dismisses factual criticism of his work by saying the "farming industry" wants to discredit him. Then when a post graduate student dissected his book and found it to be innacurate, the author said he wouldn't respond to the critic because the young man didn't have a PhD.

    If an author writes a book and makes claims, he/she has to be convinced enough in the book's factual evidence that criticism from anybody should be welcome. When authors cannot respond to criticism of their facts, they are relying only on the readers' belief.

  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 536
    edited May 2009

    of topic a bit here, but has anyone heard anything about Folic acid promoting tumor growth?

    thanks,

    The association between folate and cancer appears to be complex.[46] It has been suggested that folate may help prevent cancer, as it is involved in the synthesis, repair, and functioning of DNA, and a deficiency of folate may result in damage to DNA that may lead to cancer.[47] Some investigations have proposed that good levels of folic acid may be related to lower risk of esophageal, stomach, and ovarian cancer, but benefices of folic acid against cancer may depend on when it is taken and on individual conditions. In addition folic acid may not be helpful, and could even be damaging, in people who already are suffering from cancer or from a precancerous condition. Conversely, it has been suggested that excess folate may promote tumor initiation.[48] Diets great in folate are associated with decreased risk of colorectal cancer; some studies show an association which is stronger for folate from foods alone than for folate from foods and supplements,[49] while other studies find that folate from supplements is more effective due to greater bioavailability[50] and a 2007 randomized clinical trial found that folate supplements did not reduce the risk of colorectal adenomas.[51] A 2006 prospective study of 81,922 Swedish adults found that diets great in folate from foods, but not from supplements, were associated with a reduced risk of pancreatic cancer.[52]

    Most epidemiologic studies suggest that diets high in folate are associated with decreased risk of breast cancer, but results are not uniformly consistent: one broad cancer screening trial reported a potential harmful effect of much folate intake on breast cancer risk, suggesting that routine folate supplementation should not be recommended as a breast cancer preventive,[53] but a 2007 Swedish prospective study found that much folate intake was associated with lear incidence of postmenopausal breast cancer.[54] A 2008 study has shown no significant effect of folic acid on overall risk of total invasive cancer or breast cancer among women.[55]