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Casey,
If the weight is coming off, keep doing what you are doing. Arimidex as well as Aromasin (both AI's) make it incredibly difficult to drop an OUNCE. Sounds like you are making progress, so be blessed and keep moving. The activity also helps with the aches and pains that come with the Arimidex and Aromasin. Inactivity is almost a natural enemy. Keep up the good work !!
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Yes, I did read something about too much folic acid can promote cancer growth. At the same time, a high dose 5000 I.U's taken for a short period of time will bring down a high homocystein level. Ask me how I know that. It's one of those things we should only take when we need to. I think it's the excessive levels of folic acid that is a concern.
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Natural Milk does not cause cancer and no where have has this been noted as a cause of cancer in this discussion. But the hormones added to milk is the problem and what the animal has been feed and how it mas processed is the big problem. The real reason to sharply slow our intake of dairy is how harmful it is to the digestive system. Again small amounts Ok. There is nothing in diary that you can't get from a better source. Dairy and red meat is the biggest issues with colon and stomach health. Do the research on colon health. The key to our health is how healthy your stomach is and your colon. These area control how your body get nutrients and your disposal system. Both key to good health.
susers - Find a homeopathic doctor with a four year degree. He is medical trained to use vitamins and supplement and other alternative supplements that are not used mainstreamed. They study how these have been used for thousands of years. Google your city or surrounding city with homeopathic or try the yellow pages. You may also want got to the best health store in your area and ask the owner. They usually work closely with these clinics to help patients find what they need.
Flalady
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Roemary44, do you know what a normal dose is as opposed to an excessive dose is?
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IBS: "Are Those Stomach Troubles IBS, Dairy, or Both?" 
This is a hugh issue for most Americans.
Irritable Bowel Syndrome (otherwise known as IBS) is a common, yet vague disorder of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract. IBS is characterized by recurrent abdominal pain and bloating, accompanied by diarrhea, constipation, or an alternating combination of both. These symptoms tend to be chronic, but may come and go over a period of several months or years. Research estimates that 10 to 20% of adults within the United States alone suffer from IBS, placing it at the top of the list for the most common functional GI disorders.
Dairy is a potential offender for many IBS sufferers, and it may attack from various angles:
- Lactose Intolerance - Lactose intolerance has the ability to mimic or aggravate IBS symptoms. The International Foundation for Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders (IFFGD) references two studies on lactose intolerance/malabsorption in which patients diagnosed with IBS were given a hydrogen breath test to clinically identify lactose intolerance. The first study estimated that almost 25% of IBS patients had evidence of lactose malabsorption. The second study was performed on IBS patients who had no noticeable symptoms related directly to the ingestion of milk. Lactose malabsorption was identified in 68% of these patients! Symptoms improved on a lactose-limited diet.
- High Fat Content - Eating foods that are too high in fat is a well-known trigger of IBS symptoms. The majority of dairy foods consumed have a high fat content, including cheese, ice cream, and other whole milk products.
- Milk Protein - For the allergic, or just the hypersensitive, whey and casein may cause severe digestive problems. Food hypersensitivities among the general population have recently been estimated at about 5%, but may be as prevalent as up to 65% in IBS patients. Diet exclusion studies are now underway. If proof positive, then even skim milk products may serve as aggravators to IBS sufferers.
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Debunking the Dairy Dogma
Studies suggest that milk isn't the "health kick" it's advertised to be.by Brian Wimer
November- December 2003
"Got Milk?" The ad phrase turned pop-mantra does as much disservice to English grammar as it does to dietary science - an ill-worded, seemingly-unassailable, anecdotal justification for overindulgence. Boy, talk about sacred cows.
According to the USDA, the nation's 7.79 million dairy cows produce 150 billion pounds of milk every year, contributing to the manufacture of 1.4 billion pounds of butter, 8.6 billion pounds of cheese and 1.5 billion gallons of ice cream. The average American consumes over 600 pounds of dairy products every year. The Dairy Board, the USDA and the FDA think that's not enough, encouraging Americans to drink at least three glasses of milk daily.
But Dr. Robert M. Kradjian, Breast Surgery Chief of California 's Seton Medical Center , thinks three glasses is too much. In fact, he thinks you shouldn't drink any milk at all. After systematically reviewing the archives of medical and scientific journals, his findings were "slightly less than horrifying." Think milk does a body good? Think again.
"None of the authors spoke of cow's milk as an excellent food, free of side effects and the 'perfect food' as we have been led to believe by the industry. The main focus of the published reports seems to be on intestinal colic, intestinal irritation, intestinal bleeding, anemia, allergic reactions in infants and children as well as infections such as salmonella. More ominous is the fear of viral infection with bovine leukemia virus or an AIDS-like virus as well as concern for childhood diabetes. Contamination of milk by blood and white (pus) cells as well as a variety of chemicals and insecticides was also discussed.
Among children the problems were allergy, ear and tonsillar infections, bedwetting, asthma, intestinal bleeding, colic and childhood diabetes. In adults the problems seemed centered more around heart disease and arthritis, allergy, sinusitis, and the more serious questions of leukemia, lymphoma and cancer." Here's just a taste of the dairy dilemma Dr. Kradjian uncovered.
Let's begin with cancer. A 1989 study from the Roswell Park Cancer Institute reported that people drinking whole milk three or more times daily had a 2-fold increase in lung cancer risk when compared to those never drinking whole milk. Another Roswell Park study reported that drinking more than one glass of whole milk daily increases a woman's risk of ovarian cancer by 3.1 times.
These findings were corroborated in a 2000 Harvard Medical School study, tracking 80,000 nurses, which found that even skim milk consumption (the culprit being lactose, a milk sugar, not milkfat) increases women's risk of ovarian cancer by 66%. The implications are worldwide. A 1989 Harvard Medical School study, which analyzed data from 27 countries, found a significant positive correlation between ovarian cancer and per capita milk consumption.
Dr. William Harris, the Medical Director of the Kaiser-Permanente Vegan Lifestyle Clinic, performed a similar study. Comparing World Health Organization cancer mortality statistics in 33 countries, he found a significant correlation between breast cancer mortality and milk consumption.
Statistically speaking, the countries the highest rates of breast cancer ( Denmark , Norway , Holland , Sweden , Finland and Uruguay ) also have the highest rates of dairy consumption. Uruguay ? Yes, Uruguay has third highest rate of milk consumption and the third highest rate of breast cancer. A subsequent survey of Uruguyan women found that high intakes of whole milk and Gruyere cheese were associated with significant increased risk of breast cancer.
Dr. Harris identifies a different culprit. He hypothesizes: "Estrogens and insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) in cow's milk stimulate breast cancer."
IGF-1 is a hormone common to both humans and cows. While IGF-1 doesn't cause cancer, it stimulates its growth. Furthermore, animal fat and protein elevate insulin levels and increase IGF-1 production in the body, exacerbating its effect.
IGF-1 has been clinically found to accelerate the growth of breast cancer cells. The medical journal Lancet published a Nurses' Health study by Harvard scientists, reporting that pre-menopausal women with high levels of IGF-1 had up to a seven-fold increased breast cancer risk. These findings were corroborated in a March 1999 report by the Scientific Committee of European Union on "Veterinary Measures relating to Public Health."
A 1990 Stanford University study reported that IGF-1 promotes the growth of prostate cells, too. And, in 1997 international researchers reported further epidemiological evidence that IGF-1 levels correlate to prostate cancer risk. The Roswell Institute reported that men who drank three or more glasses of whole milk daily had a relative risk 2.49 times higher for cancer. A January 1998 report by Harvard researchers confirmed the link between IGF-1 blood levels and prostate cancer risk -- higher than for any other known risk factor -- in some studies, four times the risk in men. Overall, in surveys of clinical literature, "For prostate cancer, epidemiologic studies consistently show a positive association with high consumption of milk (and) dairy products."
Research has linked IGF-1 to colon cancer, too. Plus, researchers at the National Institutes of Health report that IGF-1 also plays a central role in the progression of many childhood cancers, small cell lung cancer, melanoma, and cancers of the pancreas. Further scientific studies have found links from high levels of IGF-1 to diabetes, acromegaly (gigantism, characterized by excessive growth of the head, face, hands, and feet) and gynecomastia (growth of breasts in men).
The milk connection: bovine milk contains high levels of IGF-1, which is resistant to pasteurization. And while IGF-1 is usually broken down in digestion, IGF-1 in bovine milk is resistant to stomach acids. According to a 1995 report in the Journal of Endocrinology, casein, the most abundant protein in bovine milk, prevents IGF-1 from breaking down in the stomach. Instead, IGF-1, once in the intestines, can pass directly into the bloodstream, largely due to the presence of the milk protein casein - the strengthening component of Elmer's glue. (Incidentally, lab animal studies at Cornell have identified casein as a carcinogen. )
To make matters worse, cows treated with FDA-approved recombinant bovine somatotropin (BST or rBGH), a hormone genetically engineered by bio-tech giant Monsanto, have even higher levels of IGF-1 -- 25-70% higher in EU Scientific Committee studies. Entire books have been dedicated to enumerating the dangers of dairy-borne rBGH, but, in the interest of brevity, let's just stick to plain milk. There's plenty still to consider.
For instance, let's look at bovine leukemia (BLV) and bovine immunodeficiency virus (BIV). Allegedly, BLV is found in more than 60% of dairy cows, and about 80% of dairy herds, in the United States . In one study of randomly collected raw milk, BLV was recovered from two-thirds of the samples. Another study showed an average 40% of US beef herds and 64% of US dairy herds as infected with BIV. In lab studies, virtually all animals exposed to BLV develop leukemia. And, yes, humans can catch BIV.
Theoretically, both viruses are killed during pasteurization (although some evidence suggests pasteurization makes them even more dangerous ). However, note the inherent flaws in dairy production. In April of 1985, a large, modern, Chicago milk-processing plant accidentally "cross connected" raw and pasteurized milk, resulting in a salmonella outbreak in 150,000 Chicago-area dairy consumers (we'll get back to raw milk later). These same people were, theoretically, exposed to BLV and BIV. Coincidentally, the dairy states Iowa , Nebraska , South Dakota , Minnesota and Wisconsin have a statistically higher incidence of leukemia than the national average. In fact, nationwide and worldwide, leukemia is more common among dairy-consuming populations.
What about all of milk's purported health benefits? The Dairy Board claims that milk can be effective in battling osteoporosis. But, statistically, countries with the dairy intake ( United States , Sweden , Israel , Finland , and the United Kingdom ) also have the highest incidence of osteoporosis. China , which is virtually dairy-free, since most Chinese are lactose intolerant, has among the lowest incidences of osteoporosis. The hard evidence: a 12-year Harvard Nurses' Health Study of 78,000 women found that those who got more calcium from milk broke more bones than those who got less calcium in their diets.
According to Dr. Julian Whitaker, editor of Health & Healing, "Osteoporosis results from calcium loss, not insufficient calcium intake. And dairy products, because of their high protein content, promote calcium loss. Studies examining the incidence of osteoporosis have found that high consumption of dairy products is associated with high rates of osteoporosis. If you want strong bones, don't drink milk."
Where should you get your calcium from? The over-simplified answer is: where cows get their calcium from - green, leafy vegetables. What makes green vegetables so vital is chlorophyll, the center atom of which is magnesium. What needs to be present to properly metabolize calcium? Magnesium (as well as phosphorous, Vitamin D and fiber). As it turns out, dairy is woefully lacking in magnesium. (Note: the very best source of magnesium is nuts.) Also, vegetables and legumes are alkaline and don't deplete the body's calcium stores like acid-causing animal proteins.
The evidence, though controversial, is difficult to refute. A telling report published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition surveyed 57 clinical studies on dairy products and bone health. After excluding technically-flawed studies, researchers found that 71% of the scientifically valid research showed that dairy products had either no bone-building benefits or actually did harm.
Surely kids can benefit from drinking milk? Not so, say clinical studies. The results are undeniable and altogether unexpected. We'll start from day one. In a 1992 British control study of premature infants researchers found a significant advantage of mother's milk over cow's milk-based formula. Children were followed up for over 8 years. Adjustments were made to allow for differences in mothers' education and social class. Result: according to the Weschler Intelligence Scale for Children, the children fed breast-milk averaged 8.3 IQ points higher.
The American Academy of Pediatrics intelligently advises parents to not give their children dairy milk before their first birthday. Doctor Frank Oski, former Chief of Pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University Hospital elaborates, "It is my thesis that whole milk should not be fed to the infant in the first year of life because of its association with iron deficiency anemia, occult gastrointestinal bleeding, and various manifestations of food allergy." His conclusion outsteps the AAP: "Why give it at all - then or ever? In the face of uncertainty about many of the potential dangers of whole bovine milk, it would seem prudent to recommend that whole milk not be started until the answers are available. Isn't it time for these uncontrolled experiments on human nutrition to come to an end?"
Many leading pediatricians contend that milk allergies, very common in children, can cause sinus problems, diarrhea, constipation and fatigue. They are a leading cause of chronic ear infections. Milk allergies are also linked to behavior problems in children and to the rise of childhood asthma.
It has also been suggested that childhood milk consumption contributes to the development of Type-I diabetes. A 1990 Canadian study found a "significant positive correlation between consumption of unfermented milk protein and incidence of insulin dependent diabetes mellitus in data from various countries. Conversely a possible negative relationship is observed between breast-feeding at age 3 months and diabetes risk."
According to a report by Finnish researchers and the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto , Finland has "the world's highest rate of dairy product consumption and the world's highest rate of insulin dependent diabetes. The disease strikes about 40 children out of every 1,000 (in Finland) ... Antibodies produced against the milk protein during the first year of life, the researchers speculate, also attack and destroy the pancreas in a so-called auto-immune reaction, producing diabetes in people whose genetic makeup leaves them vulnerable."
Pediatric milk critics link bovine leukemia concerns with the fact that half of the cancers children get today are leukemias. Then there is the issue of hormones. Increased consumption of dairy products, already high in IGF-1, and now containing rBGH, may be contributing to the dramatic drop of the average age of puberty of American girls - to as low as to age 6 for black girls and age 7 for whites.
Charles Attwood, renowned pediatrician and author of Dr. Attwood's Low Fat Prescription for Kids has been quite outspoken against childhood dairy consumption. His concern: saturated fat, "which is one of the primary contributors to heart disease." Attwood explains: "Dairy products are the most immediate source of saturated fat for children. And thanks to, a high consumption of dairy products, we now have 40 million children with elevated cholesterol levels in the United States ... We know that, statistically, one out of two children will die from heart disease as adults. According to the 25-year Bogalusa Heart Study done by Louisiana State University in New Orleans , (coronary) fatty deposits were found in children as early as age 3. And by age 12, 70 percent of these children were found to have these potentially deadly deposits."
No, he doesn't think milk is important for kids' bones. "The milk-calcium-bone density myth has been created and perpetuated by the intense lobbying of the dairy industry throughout the lifetimes of most adults living today," says Attwood. "The true connection between milk and strong bones isn't exactly what the dairy industry has been telling us all these years."
But none of this is news. Dr. Benjamin Spock, the late guru of pediatrics, put it plainly, "Cow's milk in the past has always been oversold as the perfect food, but we are now seeing that it isn't the perfect food at all and the government really shouldn't be behind any efforts to promote it as such."
None-the-less, a major component of government subsidized school lunch programs (thanks, in part, to the School Milk Pilot Test ) are surplus milk and cheese collected by the USDA. Law requires the USDA to buy any surplus of butter, cheese, or non-fat dry milk. The USDA's Commodity Credit Corporation purchased 650 million pounds of nonfat dry milk and 8 million pounds of cheese in 2002 - between the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002's Milk Price Support Program and the Milk Income Loss Contract, spending over $2 billion in subsidies and price supports for the bloated US dairy market. Today, the USDA has 1.3 billion pounds of excess nonfat dry milk in government storage.
A few more facts to consider: Fifty years ago an average cow produced 2,000 pounds of milk per year. Today, they average that amount per month. The top producers give 50,000 pounds a year. How is that accomplished? Forced feeding plans, specialized breeding, drugs, hormones and antibiotics. In tests by the Centre for Science in the Public Interest, 38% of milk samples in 10 cities were found to be contaminated with sulfa drugs or other antibiotics. Why the antibiotics? Artificial hormones give rise to mastitis, an udder infection. Milk might have been an important dietary staple centuries ago. But today it hardly resembles the food that nourished our forbears.
Nor is it consumed in the same manner. Traditionally, dairy products were cultured or fermented, as yogurt, cheese, curds or whey - partly for storage, partly for nutrition, since fermentation breaks down casein and lactose, and maximizes beneficial bacteria and digestive enzymes. Only in the industrialized West is uncultured milk consumed by the glass (a 19th century urban phenomena). More traditional fermented beverages are kefir, Russian koumiss, Middle Eastern laban, Icelandic syra, Finnish piima or Norwegian kjaeldermelk.
Even raw milk is, in some ways, preferable to today's ultra-pasteurized, homogenized variety. Raw, unprocessed milk contains higher levels of nutrients, plus the very bacteria necessary for casein and lactose breakdown. It even may lower childhood asthma risks. Unfortunately, factory farming results in such tainted milk from diseased herds, their raw product is inedible, plagued with pesticides, viruses and bacteria. Smaller, properly-raised, healthy herds from family farms don't have those issues, yet the sale of raw dairy products (still legal in Europe) is illegal in most US states. The Real Milk project of The Weston A. Price Foundation hopes to change that, but don't wait for your legislators to jump on the bandwagon.
It will, instead, take consumers educating themselves about the dangers of dairy, listening to clinicians like Kradjian, luminaries like Spock, and investigative iconoclast like stalwart dairy foe Robert Cohen, Executive Director of the tactfully-named Dairy Education Board, editor of the website notmilk.com, and author of Milk: The Deadly Poison. Cohen, a former psychoneuroendriconological researcher, actually went on hunger strike in 2001 to publicize milk dangers. His new book Milk A-Z provides an exhaustive compendium of arguments against milk, backed by an encyclopedia of clinical references. Cohen sums up his stance: "By eliminating milk, we can eliminate the single most disease causing factor for all humanity."
Yet, the Milk Industry Foundation's spokesman Jerome Kozak maintains, "I still think that milk is the safest product we have." The $27 billion dairyindustry's $165.7 million 2003 marketing plan (primarily targeted to children ages 6 to 12 and their mothers, in the words of Dairy Management, Inc., "to guide school-age children to become life-long consumers of dairy products") hopes to reiterate such mis-information, silence its critics and whitewash the warning signs of a nutritional nightmare.
If the contrary clinical evidence doesn't convince you to reconsider your dairy intake, perhaps common sense will. No other animal consumes the milk of a different species. And of all mammals, only humans -- primarily Caucasians -- continue to drink milk beyond babyhood. Even still, 20 to 40% of Caucasians are lactose intolerant. Orientals are about 60% lactose intolerant. And blacks are up to 90% lactose intolerant as adults. Which makes one wonder: just who is able to drink 3 glasses of milk daily? The better question is: who would want to?
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As I said, I use to consume a lot of dairy. Since I cut it out, my heartburn and indegestion have completely disappeared. I feel so much better, and I was able to lose weigth for the first time in my life. I do believe that dairy was causing a lot of my health problems and I am committed to only consuming it in small amounts and making sure it is always from grass fed, hormone free, antibiotic free cows. Fla Lady, it was interesting that that article talks about the salmonella outbreak in 1985. I had two little babies at the time and we were all terrified. It affected a lot of people, including an aunt and cousin. My aunt never fully recovered. She has been almost an invalid since getting it. It was a really horrible thing and forced diarys to be much more careful about how they bottled milk.
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Lorraine,
No, I can't say I know what is excessive. I wish when Dr.s do research, they would tell us how much they used to get the results they did. The foods we eat with natural folates don't cause us harm, it's the pills. A normal dose is 400 mcgs. We get that from eating cereal, and bread.
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I know what you all are saying about milk, and I agree, BUT DO YOU ALL REALIZE WHAT YOUR SAYING ABOUT ICE CREAM???!!! I'm so depressed now.
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Ivorymom,
Exactly! Now I'm doubly depressed. I got to thinking and I went to my freezer to see what was in Ben & Jerry lo-fat cherries garcia yogurt. There it is, soy lecithin. This whole soy lecithin thing is out of control. It will be in our toothpaste soon. Ok, I'll go look.
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I often buy Trader Joe's French Vanilla Ice Cream--made from milk which is free of growth hormones (at least that's the claim). It doesn't have soy lecithin, but does have guar gum--wonder if that's bad for us?! Also, the ice cream is made in a facility where they also process soy, so I guess it's possible that some soy can find its way into the ice cream. We are partial to chocolate chip ice cream and cookies and cream, so I'll often chop up some organic dark chocolate from Trader Joe's or their Joe-Joes (equivalent of Oreos) when we feel like having something other than vanilla. It's really yummy!
Audrey
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***In NO ways am I attacking Jane Plank personally, I'm just using her as an example since we've been discussing the dairy issue, it could be any other on-line source of information***
What to believe? I know, I'm a very skeptical person to start with, but... how can we know that we can trust what we read on the Internet. Like Jane Plank, how can we know for sure that she really did have 5 cancer, that she really did cut dairy from her diet? How do you know that she's not some type of loopy taking advantage of all of us vulnerable women who want to make sure we never get a recurrence so we buy her book then she gets rich of vulnerable people? Like I said, I'm not attacking her, I feel the same way about anything I read online, how can I trust everyone's different claims? Especially when they want us to buy they books or special supplements? I am a very skeptical person.
I haven't personally done my researches of the dairy issue. I don't drink milk (unless it's chocolate.. oops!) but I do love my cheese
It would be harsh to cut it from my diet.As far as anniversary date (can't remember who asked), I'll be using my last tx date since it's the last day they worked on removing any possible cancer cells in my body so to me it's makes sense that it's the day I became cancer free. Everyone is different on that one.
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Cebula-when I was DX, I did what I have done all my life, I went to the library and the bookstores. I do most of my research with books, and I use the internet for verification. Jane Plant's books, were among the first that I found. She did have breast cancer and I found her story compelling. I began, and still continue to read everything I can on health, mostly in books. I guess we could say that nothing we read can be trusted, whether in a book or online. Yes, anyone can write anything.I do believe we have to believe with our gut sometime. All I know is that almost everthing I have read has brought me better health. I feel better, I look better, I no longer have cancer, and my tests show that my body is functioning better. There is not just one answer, for anyone. We all need to find what is right for us and for the type of cancer we have had. Just as some people do not believe anything we do in the "natural" realm will not make a difference, most of us here disagree. All we can do is make our own choices and respectfully disagree when we feel differently. No one knows all the answers. If we did we would not be humans, we would be God. But I firmly believe we are what we eat. I do not believe this idea that if we have certain genes we will get cancer and there is nothing we can do to prevent it. To me, that would be giving up and letting the beast win. I am not going to just lie down and say poor me, I have lousy genes. I am going to continue to do all I can to keep myself healthy and drug free.
As far as the ice cream goes, once I gave up milk, I actually began to prefer fruit smoothies. I buy bags of frozen fruit and put them in my little bullet blender. Sometimes I add a little juice or rice milk. It taste yummy on a hot day. It is evident to me, that milk products are detrimental to MY health. As I said, my digestive system is much happier without them. Obviously, I have an intolerance to milk that I did not realize. I do believe that if we eat things that are toxic to our own bodies, we get sick. Our body chemistry is all different.
Now I am off to check my toothpaste! Maybe we will need to go back to peroxide and baking soda like my great grandmother did! Yuck, I hate the soy lecithin crap in everything. I sure wish they would stop putting it in chocolate. Even the imported stuff has it. But they do make hormone free cheeses in EU and I can now get some of it locally at the farmer's markets. Everything in moderation.
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Timing is everything. I went to open my email, ( I joined a bonesite) first email from her is this:
We've all seen the commercials that proclaim, "Milk, it does a body
good."
But what if I told you that based on scientific research, milk does
a body AND your bones bad? Let's explore the findings.
Mark Hegsted, a retired Harvard professor of nutrition, has said,
"To assume that Osteoporosis is due to calcium deficiency is like
assuming that infection is due to penicillin deficiency."
Now you may be wondering, like I did, "Milk is rich in calcium;
calcium strengthens bones; so milk strengthens bones." But this is
one of the biggest medical myths of our time.
You see, milk is an acidic animal protein. When consumed it
imposes excessive demands on the kidneys.
So as a response, our bodies must neutralize all that acidic
protein before it reaches the kidneys. It accomplishes that with
calcium. Think about Tums or Rolaids--the main ingredient in the
tablets is calcium and we take those to neutralize stomach acid.
Our bodies automatically do the same. And which is the most
readily available source of calcium? You guessed it--our bones!
So while milk contains calcium, our bodies leech even more calcium
from our bones to neutralize the effect of milk in the body.
This explains why a Harvard Nurses' Health Study found that women
who consumed the most calcium from dairy foods broke more bones
than those who rarely drank milk (Source: Feskanich D, Willett WC,
Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Milk, dietary calcium and bone fractures
in women: a 12-year prospective study. Am J Public Health 1997).///////
It's everywhere today.
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Thanks Vivre, I do believe in the natural way as well, but also know that there's a bunch of loopies out there out to be rich! Like I said, it wasn't about Jane Plank but internet info in general. Thanks for sharig your experience, maybe I need to start putting my nose into books instead of my computer
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Hi Everyone,
Vivre ~ Thank you for your input. I have added those supplements to my regimen. The Progesterone Cream I am using is made by Life-Flo and is named Progesta-Care. I had my concerns about it also but decided to use it under advice from my Doc. I am interested in hearing more about it. Here is a blurb about it: Progesta-Care contains natural bio-identical Progesterone USP that is formulated to provide relief from menopausal symptoms, giving millions of women a safe and healthy alternative.
Progesterone can direct and control the production of other hormones such as Estrogen. Most significantly, it is know that high amounts of Estrogen can induce a host of metabolic disturbances, and the body's natural way of counterbalancing Estrogen is with Progesterone. Progesta-Care helps to achieve a natural balance
Ingredients:
Purified Water, Aloe Vera Gel, Caprylic/Capric Triglycerides, Shea Butter, Sunflower Seed Oil, Stearic Acid, Natural Progesterone USP (Micronized), Glycerine, Glyceryl Stearate, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Stearyl Alcohol, Isopropyl Palmitate, MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane), Evening Primrose Oil (Oenothera Biennis), Lecithin, Tocotrienol (Natural Super Vitamin E), Sodium Hyaluronate (HA), Sodium Bicarbonate, Burdock Root, Allantoin, Carbomer, Potassium Sorbate, Grape Seed Extract.
My surgery has been rescheduled pending the results of the MRI which I was able to complete on Friday.I am also having the Breast Therm this week and I hope to have both results before making a decision betweeen Lump and Mast.
Valjean ~ I purchased the books you referenced on EBay. Thanks for the information.
Dlb823 ~ I just purchased Turmeric also and I am also drinking Organic Green Tea with Pomegranate and Raspberry with Peppermint. I mix them and drink a few cups throughout the day. How much are you using? I use it to cook with quite a bit but never used it as alternative medicine.Thank you for the advice.
Amberyba ~ I have stopped taking the Garlic until after the surgery. Thanks for the heads up as I had completely forgotten that garlic is a blood thinner.
Thank you all again,
As always,
Grace
"Coming together is a beginning, staying together is progress, and working together is success."Henry Ford
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I have a question about CoQ10. Have any of you check with a cardiologist before you started to take this supplement? I know it is also used to reduce high blood pressure and I have low blood pressure ( 100 over 60 is my normal blood pressure) so I don't need to lower it even more. Any suggestions?
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simvog-I have been taking CoQ10 since October. I have low blood pressure-90/56. It hasn't caused any problems. I saw my integrative medical doctor last week...he checked my blood pressure and is fine with me still taking the CoQ10.
Li
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This whole milk (aka ICE CREAM, yes Rosemary!!) thing makes me nutz! The dietician at the Cancer Center suggested Organic fat free milk rather than milk substitutes, as she felt it was better nutrition.I need to read up more on this...
I am going to keep on my quest to find a Milk substitute for now. I ate cheese this weekend! ack!
Spring.
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Cebula, you are of course right we cannot believe everything we read on the internet. It is quite easy, however, nowadays to check credentials of authors through websites of institutions they work for. Dr Jane Plant works for British Geological Survey and is a visiting professor at the Imperial College London. Her area of expertise is primarily environmental pollution. My interest in her work on breast cancer started when having just been told that I had IDC, scared out of my wits and desperate to find out if there is anything I can do I went to the local health shop which also houses a herbal pharmacy staffed with qualified herbalist. They could not see me on the day but said that I do one thing for myself I should avoid dairy. I went home and googled dairy and breast cancer (as I have never heard of connection) and all kind of articles popped up including ones on Dr Plant's book. I do think it is significant that she herself went through the experience we are going through (five times over) as that provided her with motivation to research all the relevant data in order to help herself. Having been told that she had three months to live I don't think she was thinking about writing a book at the time. I honestly do not want to persuade anyone what to do except arm themselves with information before they make choices.
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Spring.. you sweety.. it is hard huh...
I am not a dairy girl nor a sweet tooth girl.. so I cannot say giving them up was hard on me. I am not hormone +... so a lot of these things don't seem to apply to me..
I will say.. I love smoked Salmon.. when I found out that smoking the salmon really is a bad carcinogen and there is a link to her2+ and carcinogens.. eeeekkkk...
So anyway... I just wanted to tell you.. keep trying.. and I will to..:)
Lisa.. I zumba'd today....:)
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Laura! Woo! Zumba! Did you like it? How was it starting out?
Today I had organic "Pacific" Oat Milk. IT was pretty good! (Maybe I am just getting used to things other than milk...)
Smoking Salmon is carcinogen-ic? Good grief. WHAT IS LEFT TO EAT!!! (Fresh salmon I guess... )
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Hi
Is it smoking the salmon itself or is it the chemicals that often are used to keep that bright pink color? People have been smoking food as a preservative for centuries but without chemicals. Now you find chemicals in everything....you can find chemical free smoked salmon, but you have to look for it. And if you order smoked salmon in a restaurant, I'd assume it has chemicals.
I just wondered if it is the smoking itself or the sodium nitrite, which is a carcinogen, that is often added or maybe a little of both.
Mandy
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I don't see how it's carcinogenic? I drink tea hotter than the smoking process they use. It's the salt in the brine that gives me pause. I'm sure a lot of trees lose their life to this process, but otherwise?
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I thought the salmon issue was interesting, but about the only thing I could find was this
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/01/21/salmon-cancer.aspx
Did you see something somewhere else?
I do believe that we need to limit or eliminate any processed foods as much a possible. The more they do to the food, the more we lose it's nutrients, not to mention the ill effects of all those preservatives as Mandy mentioned. Better to eat whole foods, fresh or frozen when we have to. I pretty much stay to the permeter of the grocery store. All the bad stuff is kept in the middle.
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For those looking for summer type of desserts, "So delicious "has come out with some dairy free, agave sweeten ice pop type of thingss. They call them Mini fruit bars. I have had the orange passion fruit and they are absolutely delicious....they also have a coconut milk based "ice cream type of dessert" but I have not tried that so I can only tell you about it. These were available at my local Whole Foods but I would think that many health food places would also have them.
Of course, if you use dairy, you can make your own ice cream without sugar....just try making something like a peach ice cream using ripe peaches and you will not need sugar. Or you can make your own ice pops using unsweeted, organic juice. And I will bet there are all kinds of ways to make sorbet without using sugar or dairy.
This is just my own thoughts because I love having summer desserts and there are ways to do this.
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wow--I was away and had a lot of catching up to do!
I will have to ditch the smoked salmon then--thought it was a good way to occasionally catch up on salmon eating... will have to read up more on it.
I also have been dubious about dairy even before I was dx'd. Milk really is for babies of whatever animal it is--it's just we are so used to all the dairy products b/c the Europeans ate it. Also the dairy industry in this country is just that--an "industry" with profit margins as their main concern. Dairy cows are treated much worse than beef cows even and they are in horrible feed lots! They literally suck the life out of cows in about 3 years rather than the normal life span of cows. The whole "happy cow" adverts were a joke--they do not live like that. But besides the treatment of them--it's what they feed them that can make the milk bad for us, as someone mentioned. I don't know if "real" milk is better but most of us don't get access to that. Maybe we should only eat cheese from foreign countries where their food standards are more strict! I do eat a little cheese here and there but not much.
Oh and to Grace 61, be careful of your fat soluble vitamins. You can take too much of them with ill effect--see this link for some info:
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/foodnut/09315.html
And Spring--I have been drinking almond milk (know you are not crazy about it!) and noticed that there is carageenan in it which Dr Weil has advised to avoid--ugh! He says it is easy to make yourself--maybe I will need to do that. I really only have it with cereal in the morning so don't notice much taste. If you want the recipe, let me know.
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Whole Milk is Best
This ran in The New York Times on 12 February 2006.
Health officials in New York City are right. The typical bodega in the city's poorer neighborhoods is not brimming with healthy foods, and the residents who rely on these stores suffer for it. The unhappy results are higher rates of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease among poor New Yorkers.
Thus the city is enlisting bodegas in central Brooklyn, the South Bronx, and Harlem (where obesity rates exceed the city average) to encourage the sale of low-fat milk. Participating bodegas offer discounts on low-fat milk and tout its benefits. 'Moooove to 1 percent milk,' say the T-shirts worn by workers at El Barrio Superette in Harlem.
And it doesn't stop there. Earlier this month, city education officials announced that they had decided to remove whole milk from public school cafeterias.
Unfortunately, city officials have identified the wrong culprit in our health woes. Whole milk is one of the best foods in the average corner shop-and a vital part of a nutritious diet for public school children, who may not eat well at home.
Whole milk is what is called a complete food, because each ingredient plays its part. Without the fat, you can't digest the protein or absorb the calcium. The body needs saturated fat in particular (monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fat can't do the job) to take in the calcium that makes bones strong. Milk fat also contains glycosphingolipids, which are fats that encourage cell metabolism and growth and fight gastrointestinal infections.
The all-important vitamins A and D are found in the fat. Historically, whole milk and butter were the best sources of these vitamins in the American diet, which had up to 10 times more of both vitamins than modern industrial diets.
In skim and low-fat milk, the vitamins are removed along with the fat, so dairies add synthetic A and D. But Vitamins A and D are fat-soluble; that means they cannot be absorbed into the body unless they're taken in with fat. Thus, even fortified skim and low-fat milk are not nearly as beneficial as the real thing.
What about recommendations that we should drink low-fat milk to prevent heart disease? A federal study released last week, the largest study of its kind, found that low-fat diets do not prevent heart disease.
Instead, scientists are increasingly finding that whole milk and saturated fats have been given an undeserved bad rap. Many experts say the evidence blaming saturated fats for heart disease is surprisingly weak. Indeed, the main effect of eating saturated fats is to raise high-density lipoproteins, or H.D.L., the so-called good cholesterol. And with H.D.L., the higher, the better. In 2005, researchers from Llandough Hospital in Cardiff, Wales, released a study of Welsh men over 20 years that found that subjects who drank the most milk (both whole and low fat) had a lower risk of heart disease than those who drank the least. 'The present perception of milk as harmful in increasing cardiovascular risk should be challenged,' the researchers concluded.
Nor does whole milk cause diabetes. Diana Schwarzbein, a doctor in California who specializes is endocrine and metabolic diseases, found that Type 2 diabetics got worse on the recommended low-fat, low-saturated-fat, high-carbohydrate diet.
Whole milk doesn't make you fat. The main dietary causes of obesity are white flour and sugar. Sugar is stored in the body as fat. Even white bread provides a big shot of glucose-just like a sugary soda. In fact, the calcium in dairy foods enhances weight loss and reduces blood pressure (the calcium in tablets doesn't have same effect). For most children, the best source of calcium is milk.
The health commissioner is right to discourage New York City restaurateurs from using trans fats, which lower H.D.L.; raise low-density lipoprotein, or L.D.L., the so-called bad cholesterol; and promote obesity and diabetes. The excess of omega-6 fats in corn, soybean, safflower and other seed oils, combined with a lack of omega-3 fats (which come from fish), lead to obesity, diabetes and heart disease.
What New Yorkers need is a citywide campaign to shun foods loaded with white flour, sugar, corn syrup, corn oil and trans fats. Banning the sale of soda in public schools, as Connecticut plans, would be smarter than banning whole milk.
Meanwhile, if a bodega is your only option and you want to eat well, buy canned fish, beans, eggs, and whole milk. That's what the health commissioner should encourage New Yorkers-rich and poor-to take home for dinner.0 -
Health commissioner??? Please they have not lead anyone in the last thirty years into eating a proper diet. Let me go find the article that showed the biggest contribute to the political machine is...the dairy industry. Let see does that make this a true research into facts?
Flalady
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What about BBQing? Is that OK? I read somewhere not to BBQ because of the carcinogens, but what if you make sure you don't burn or char your food AT ALL? Any thoughts, anyone? - D
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