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I also think we need a concise mission statement. Vivre, do you have anything yet like this on your up and coming Web site? Maybe we need a brainstroming session?
About that wine thing (posted on last page so I forget the poster's name!) I really wonder if alchohol is safe. If you think about the bottom line, the reason we avoid a fatty body (lower BMI) to reduce estrogen in our bodies. Also, exercise metabolizes estrogen (besides glucose, which reduces insulin reaction, also very good). but Alchohol, as I understand it, gives you a surge of estrogen.
As much as I would love a glass of nice red wine, I am just not going there until I hit 5-6 years out from diagnosis. My tumor was Estrogen 90%. That's just me, we all have to do what gives us peace through this friggin breast cancer journey!!!
Deni, I liked the logo!
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The only thing about the philosophy of this, and the logo, do we want to be so "in your face" about sinking the pink? or take on a "coexist" attitude? I think it is important to think about.
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That is an excellent point Spring. I think you are right. We probably should be more subtle and not confrontational. Being confrontational will not help the cause. We need to ditch the "radical fanatic" reputation and get people on board because we are promoting a sensible approach. I will see what I can come up with to tone it down. Any ideas?
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Hi Gang...if finances and the date works..is it ok for a friendly Canuk (Canadian) to join the Prevention Convention?
By the by, I was on Arimidex for about 5 months and decided that enough was enough. I have now been off it for 2 months and feel FANTASTIC. I see my naturopath today and will pick up the hormone test kit. Not sure what you pay for your test in the US, for me the kit/test will cost me $250 Cdn.
I've been on the I3C for 3 months so we will see what the test results show. The research I have done leads me to believe that for a post menopausal woman (that'd be me!), DIM appears to be a better option. I3C is less expensive, however, if the DIM works better it is probably worth the cost. Any thoughts?
Carol
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I have a mission statement written already, no problem there. As for the pink copyright, I know they have a copyright, but we can change it a bit, maybe with an outline of another color and it should be okay. I like the sink the pink campaign, I think it should be part of our prevention convention, but it will not be the only topic.
Carol, come on down-and bring lots of Canucks with you!
Oh, and here is something that is amazing. I found the best contact yesterday AND by sheer coincidence (or fate) I will be right in their neighborhood next week, so I am going to see if we can join forces. This is going to be a lot of work, but I think it just might happen.
I also got a response from Dr. Northrup. Wouldn't that be something if She came to speak? She is the one who got me started on this whole path to natural health.
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AWESOME!! I believe all things happen for a reason and my "spidey" senses are tingling and telling me that the Prevention Convention is going to be friggin' awesome!!!!!
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robyn, that is just SAD but I still chuckled
.Shepherd, I still enjoy some organic red wine. I have stopped freaking out about every little thing. Moderation is key (except for heroin, lol fairy). Besides it has resveratrol in it so I know I'm being cured every time I drink some, lol. I don't know about that study, if I did I would probably drink more!
Patty
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Spring ~ That was my first instinct yesterday when I saw Deni's very well done design -- that using a recognized logo within yours to attack that entity -- at least to the point of "sinking" it -- puts a lot of emphasis on a negative, and will no doubt turn off or confuse a lot of people who will then cease to hear the message. I mean, who are you trying to reach? Most people do not have a negative reaction to pink ribbons, so the impression could be that you have an odd vendetta against an extremely worthy cause.
I also agree that using the pink ribbon is asking for copyright infringement problems. It's one thing to use it on a pair of socks or something in support of the campaign, but quite another to use it within another logo that targets it in a completely negative way, and I'm not sure outlining it will solve the potential problem.
I also question if the message should be strong enough to stand on its own, without cutting down someone else's message, even if that original message is wrong. Let the new message be so strong that it makes any previous wisdom look incorrect or shortsighted. Otherwise, it may take on a humorous characteristic that's cute and catchy, but could also dilute the importance of what's being said. Although we here are very frustrated with BC Awareness, it no doubt has saved lives and raises a lot of money, so I might question if the message that it's self-serving or misdirected or inaccurate conveys a more intelligent opposition than merely sinking it, which will no doubt raise a flood of opposition and resistance from those who benefit from it. Just some brainstorming thoughts... D.
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one alcoholic beverage increases your circulating estrogen by 400%.........yikes!
I think to avoid any conflicts, mixed messages, and copyright issues, we should re-think the pink ribbon on the logo. There is a ribbon for every type of cancer, so maybe we can come up with something totally different??
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I hear what you guys are saying, but the problem is that the pink ribbon gets all the attention and prevention gets none. Also, the business of pinkwashing is not known by most people. People do honestly want to help and they think they are by supporting the pink stuff. That is why we need to encourage people to look in the other direction. My logo is a green question mark for preventcanswers. Maybe we should incorporate that?
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vivre ~ I like the idea of a new direction. Everyone knows the status quo re. how bc is dx'd and treated hasn't changed much in spite of a sea of pink each October, and a new direction (prevention) sounds fresh and positive.
I know it's not your emphasis, but I also see better screening and better medical education as such important related issues. There are far too many women on this site who kept up with annual mammos (me included), yet whose bc was at least Stage II when it was finally seen, frequently only on MRI. That's just unacceptable, as are doctors who send away young women because they're "too young" to have bc, or because they don't recognize the early signs of the more rare forms of bc, such as IBC.
Just some additional thoughts that keep rolling around in my head, although I don't know if they'd be better addressed separately; or, if along with prevention, might help paint a more complete picture why "awareness" as it exists is letting us down. But I wanted to throw them out there for possible brainstorming... Deanna
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Love the green question mark!!!
I had mammos every 6 months for 5 years, followed by an ultra sound, found nothing.....I think if one has fibrocystic breasts, having an MRI should be standard, thats just my opinion, I get pissed, to think they could have caught mine in situ 5 years ago..........
I give all of my young brides, my supplement list and a mini lecture on hormone balance/prevention blah blah, if I can get through to even one of them I would be thrilled!
Most say they had not even a little clue..........sh.t!!!!!! its a uphill battle ladies!!!Deanna, you have a great way of expressing what we are trying to do, maybe we can put together a pamphlet, nothing big, just very impactive of the message on prevention as we see it. THEN somehow get them tossed out of a plane all over the country!!!!! ok, maybe that would be a bit much LOL!! but that would be cool!!
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oh.......good point Meg, I always assumed it would have showed up on an MRI as "they" were always watching my calcifications.
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Fairy, I've PMed you about media ideas. 0
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The phamphlet sounds like a good idea. If I ever get my website up, I can post something that people can easily download and hand out with the green ??? The point will be to tell women to ask more questions and demand answers.
Anom-I think you are so right to emphasize turning the attention to a new direction. That is where I am headed with trying to get speakers. The whole- mind -body -soul approach that Dr. Northrup first brought attention to but seems to constantly be pushed off as nonsense by the money behind big pharma. We need to get past the whole take a pill mentality and into doing individual chemical analysis of our bodies and putting things back in order. If I ever get to the point where this movement gets big enough and we can earn money, it will go towards seminars for professionals. If they can teach each other, then we have hope.
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Deni: AWSOME, your idea. Love, love, love the "Sink the Pink" punchline, but girls, you are right: perhaps it would be a good idea to be careful with the different sensitivities involved.
If I happen to be in the US at the time of the convention, I sure would like to attend.
And dlb823: that was also my case: diagnosed with Stage II after faithfully doing my early mammogram for the previous 10 years. Mammo saw NOTHING coming (some researchers do not even rule out that it might actually have been a contributing factor, considering the amount of radiation and toxins we are exposed to at all times).
Not enough progress in 50 years, obviously....
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Interesting new "BC Awareness" thread developing in the Stage IV forum... According to the original poster, 50% of the $7 million raised by the Avon BC Walk "to find a cure" went to "awareness!" WTF?!??!
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I've go to see that thread. What is it entitled?
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D- the "awareness" amounts to reminding women to get their mammos and in some instances, paying for them. In essense, the money is actually going to cause cancer will excessive mammos. I still bet that most people who are dx'd with mammos, went to the doctor, like me, wanting to find out about a lump. Mammos do not find cancer as much as they just verify it, and sometimes they still miss it. They say it takes 8 years for a tumor to show up on a mammo, well I guess that is why they saw nothing in mine the year before dx. I felt the lump and because I had just lost a relative to BC I did not mess around and got to the doctor. I did not need some campaign to remind me. I had a real life experience, just as most people do. It is hard to find anyone not touched by bc in some way. I was dx'd in Oct. not because of the pink everywhere, but because I took the time to address my health after a very stressful summer.
BTW-isn't it a shame that Avon continues to sponsor these walks, as if they really care about women, and then still sell cosmetics full of carcinogens?
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Totally agree, vivre. I was questioning the absurdity of it -- that we now hear that $3.5 million was used to perpetuate and grow a marketing program that has become a huge, self-serving, self-perpetuating business. Find me any woman over 40 who doesn't know she should be getting annual mammograms. Maybe if she's living in a cave somewhere. "Awareness" is practically a white elephant at this point. And it disturbs me that millions of dollars that were given to find a cure were used not for research, but to beat the drum for mammos. The whole thing needs to be exposed, but I know that's another topic, and I sometimes tend to get way OT. Sorry! D.
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vivre, your posts are always the very voice of reason. When you say: isn't it a shame that Avon continues to sponsor these walks, as if they really care about women.....
This is so true! And the thing is, many people only join the bandwagon in order to be nice to someone else. I did just that for a while, but the last time I received the dreaded email from that friend proclaiming: "....I am doing the Avon Walk again, please sponsor me..." I just deleted it.
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Agree. Awareness is not prevention. Awareness is like "early detection" "get your mammogram". Who the hell wants to get cancer and detect it early? This makes me crazy!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
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how about a big red or black X over the upside down ribbon LOL
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Check this out:
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I just discovered on the label of my favorite lotion, Lubriderm, that it has one of the parabens in it. I am told that that is the same as estrogen??? So, even though I have been slathering it all over myself by the gallon for the last 40 years, I am trying to stop. Should I use organic expeller pressed coconut oil or should I use something else? After showering, I must have something to coat my back, legs and feet and also something to use on my hands throughout the day. This avoiding estrogens sure gets tricky! Thanks for any suggestions. Cleaning up my act is becoming a full time job.
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Viv - great article. It is really amazing how we have to dig up information like this. Scary how profits come before lives.
Luna- thanks to Viv's recommendation, I have been using extra virgin cold pressed coconut oil as a moisturizer. I was hesitant at first as I thought it would be really greasy, but it is not at all. I am still looking for something for my face though.
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Lun5, totally agree that avoiding estrogens is tricky. Even though I buy my products at Whole Foods and similar stores I still read the label to see what is and is not in the product. If I am not sure I don't buy it but I will write down the ingredient and google it later to figure out if it is ok or not.
In one of the magazines I was browsing through I noticed an ad for a website called saffronrouge.com. According to their site they only sell (online) organic/natural products. I did a quick browse through their site and they do seem to carry some very good products.
deni - I have not tried the evo coconut oil. While I love coconut to eat and coconut milk, I don't like the smell of coconut in products - go figure. Same thing for almond. Love almonds, can't stand the smell in products.
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Purple - I don't reallly notice a strong smell of coconut on me when I use it, although my husband does smell it. But I think it is mild and it doesn't linger.
Here is an article I found online that talks about risk reduction with the Mediterranian diet:
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Luna and purple-As Deni said, I do not notice the smell much either, and it dissapates quickly. I had one brand that did not smell at all, but I cannot remember which one it was. I also use it on my face, just a dab goes a long way. Here is something I am beginning to be careful about though: I read that coconut oil raises metabolism and has even been touted for weight loss. A couple of people on the iodine group were saying it helped them to lose weight by raising their metabolism. They took it orally. I think the weight loss is a great side effect if it works, but I noticed that I had trouble falling asleep sometimes after a long bath and then using coconut oil all over. Since it is readily absorbed into the skin, I was wondering if it got my metabolism so revved that I could not fall asleep. So I am experimenting with this idea. Let me know if any of you notice this effect. Nonetheless, I swear by the stuff, and it is the only moisturizer and cooking oil I use these days.
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Sorry to back up a bit, but are the tocotrienols we want Palm Oil derived, or rice, or what? I would like to add this to my regimen.
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