Treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally
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Thanks everyone for your replies. This afternoon the Bp went down to 141/76 so that was a relief. Trying to stay calm! I may need an anti-anxiety pill, but hate to get used to something like that, but if it helps my BP maybe it is worth it.
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I have been taking Arimidex for two months now. I have had back trouble before I started taking it. My back has started hurting a lot and I go to a chiropractor. He had me in pretty good shape before I started on the med. Would message therapy help if this is a SE of the med?
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I would suggest turmeric and boswellia for pain related to AIs. I don't know about massage but I would not think it would hurt. Someone mentioned using magnesium oil for massage and really helped her a lot! As well as taking mag supplements, 600mg.
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Im a massage therapist - unless it is muscle pain you are feeling, massage isnt going to do much for the bone pain you are feeling. Tumeric is on the estrogenic list of things to avoid if you want to keep estrogen levels.
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I have slight scoliosis and my discs are degenerating. So back issues are a problem for me. The muscles around the middle of my back start hurting when I am on my feet too long or if I am working on filing (do bookkeeping). I really don't know what causes them to start hurting. I am doing some stretching (over an exercise ball) but lately it doesn't seem to be doing much. I hate to take more meds, but would a muscle relaxer help?
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IF you decide on massage, please be sure to tell the massage therapist you are at risk for lymphedema. You need to be careful about that. ( Check the LE thread for good info)
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Hi ladies
My lumpx complete, beginning rads, but I do not want to take Al. Looking for info on how to proceed using organic natural means. I'm active and do not like the list of SEs. I want to take control of my life back. Will use the cancer math and see how it goes.
Keep the info coming will see how I can meld naturopathic & MO.
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Hi all.....yes I'm the one with back issues too and I upped my Mg 600 and my Vit D3 to 6000 IU and also have a Mg spray which I use as a deodorant (fabulous) and I take my Mg spray when I go for a back massage. It has made quite a difference.
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I thought tumeric was considered helpful for breast cancer.
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Me too?????
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As far as I know, turmeric is fine for BC, including ER+ BC: http://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/turmeric
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This past weekend, I ordered the book, "The Anti-Estrogenic Diet." It just arrived today. As I'm perusing it, I came across the following......for what it's worth:
"Turmeric is a spice commonly used in Middle Eastern, Mediterranean and Indian foods. Curcumin, the active ingredient in turmeric (and curry) exhibited multiple suppressive effects on breast carcinoma cells. Studies in India and China revealed that curcumin's anti-cancerous effects are induced by antagonizing both ER+ and ER- cells. Researchers concluded that curcumin isoflavones could also be used to inhibit the estrogenic effects of pesticides and environmental xenoestrogens."
The author goes on to say, "Contrary to oregano, thyme, and turmeric, there are spices that actually promote estrogen, the most notable of which are licorice and hops."
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Claudia - you could try an epsom salt bath for muscle aches.......
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I use turmeric as part of my natural regime and plan on continuing until see evidence not to.
I found accupunture helpful for pain.
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I am on a "basic" alkaline/non acidic diet, good execise too. There is some really great information posted here. Thanks to you all for sharing.
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I have enjoyed reading all the responses and what people are doing for pain. I knew about the Epson salt baths; however, I also have an auto immune condition that effects my skin (Dermatomyositis). I am sure people think I have to be making these things up. Soaking in the water isn't real good for my skin. My skin is so dry and the rash at times is really bad. I am trying to eat better and exercise. Taking one day at a time.
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Hi there,
I don't know if anyone already mentioned this...but Ancient minerals magnesium spray with MSM works great to reduce pain! Also, Ancient minerals bth salts with magnesium and MSM! You can also take MSM protocol in water internally!
I have had so much success with this...getting rid of my heart palps and leg pain/restlessness! Good luck to you!
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Great thread. I have been on Tamox for about 6 mo and I am also using a local bioidentical estriol cream for a few weeks. Estriol aparently has cancer protective effects and its only released locally.
I am starting to research what natural options I have to tamoxifen and I plan on seeing a dr at the Tahoma clinic in Washington. They have experience with women who went off or refused tamoxifen. Has anyone been to the Tahoma clinic ?
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joelle
Love your signature - I come from the Dr Seuss city!
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Claudia, I have severe scoliosis, some degeneration of the vertebrae and a slipped disk.
The best medicine is regular weight training as well as walking. The stronger your muscles are the less stress you put on the weak parts of the spine. By weights, I do not mean anything extreme. For the last year, I have been doing about 30 minutes of light weights 3X a week and it had helped a lot. I also walk 1-2 hours a day.
Lastly, I analyzed my daily doings to identify the things that especially made my back hurt and now I do my best to avoid them. Standing a long time is one for me too. So if I am cooking, I will sit down to peel veggies, for example, so I am not standing the whole time. Other times I will walk around a bit in between tasks to break the constant standing.
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My life is so crazy. I have a 35 year old son who is married to a women who has an 8 year old son who is biopolar. So happy he has them in his life because he has had 3 back surgeries including one spinal fusion. We have to help a lot with their situation as far as helping with his stepson. With that said, I know I need to exercise more and about the time I get a good start something happens. Excuses, excused! Now that I seem to be doing better after surgery and radiation, I need to get back to doing my stretching. I have slight scoliosis and my psoas muscles are not the same length. This causes a pull on my hips and back. I couldn't stretch over exercise ball for a while. Think I can do it again. I am a bookkeeper and sitting really seems to get my back fired up. Standing is not much better. I am trying to get up and walk a little more while I am working.
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I find when I'm sitting a long time at work I have a tendancy to have my chair scoot back w/o my realizing it. I end up sitting at an angle, leaning forward, and go home with a back ache every time. I've bought a pillow for my chair and pay attention to how I'm sitting more. It's helped a lot.
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Claudia, I know life can get crazy, but if there is one positive for me out of all this cancer crap it is my determination to look out for #1.
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I had a friend who died of cancer and he suffered so much for two years. I realize how short life is and how much I was blessed with the early diagnosis. Things are not always good but I realize how much worse they could be. God is good. One thing I am trying to do is to turn things over to him and not be such a control freak. Hard to do when I was the oldest and the one in the family that everybody relied on. This site has let me know that I am not alone.
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Claudia, as another oldest with messed-up parents, I absolutely know what you are talking about. But as you are also realizing, it doesn't do much good. I started training myself during chemo, by giving myself a present after each chemo. Sounds silly, perhaps, but it was a good beginning. I go to the gym 3X a week, and the dishes or whatever will just have to wait till I get back.
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DIM DOSAGE
HI allI have bene avoiding te ALS for numerous health reasons and have broken 3 bones.
Just had my first post LX mammo...its been a yr. They mentioned some assymetrical density in the good breast. They say it was there for 2 previous mammos so they are not too concerned ( but I am )
I looked into DIM before , but I have a goiter and my endo dr said it could up my risk of thyroid cancer.I feel like I MUST do ' something" .
I am thinking of DIM again, but perhaps in a low dose.
Does anyone know a good sorce and/or where I can order some and cut the dosage ( pill rather than capsule) I'd prefer to find a good source of a dose under 75 if possible.
Thanks for any leads.
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Hi Purple,
I just ordered and received Natures Way DIM Plus from drugstore.com. I saw this brand mentioned on a thread, maybe it was this one? The serving size is 2 capsules, which is 100 mg so you could take just one. Now, I'm a little worried because I came across a thread yesterday mentioning DIM increases your progesterone. I'm highly ER/PR positive, 86% and 88% respectively. Ugh! I am damned if I do and damned if I don't! ☺
Good luck! Please post on what you decide and find. I haven't started taking it yet.
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I get all my supplements, including DIM from vitacost.com - best prices!
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From my research....BioResponse DIM seems to be the best absorbed? This is the one the NCI used in their studies w/ awesome results!...I don't see a problem, really, with raising the progesterone...I am finding out everything is a balancing act and that estrogen may not be the enemy afterall, but an imbalance of progesterone with the estrogen? I am trying to find a good hormone Doc and have found some great options from this site...I looked under Pennsylvania for myself, but you can pick your own state!
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Fwiw, my integrative oncologist has had me on DIM (Nature's Way) for over 2 years and has never mentioned a potential rise in Progesterone levels as a problem. I take 300 mg/day.
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