Treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally
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Chisandy, agree with you. I eat a lot of fat, mostly olive oil. I am also increasingly convinced that highly processed carbs are mostly of the devil.
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Momine
I am astonished at your comments re dairy not necessarily having a bad effect on BC. I am referring to those women with hormonally driven BC. I suggest you try Chris Woollams site:
It will explain it better than I can, but basically it is to do with the Growth Hormone in milk. If women feel they just cannot live without dairy then at least go to Goat dairy - or sheep - which is at least a beast more our size than a cow. Also avoid unfermented Soy...i.e. all the manufactured stuff like milk, yoghurts etc. Easier to avoid Soy altogether in my book.
6+ years into this game I now only use this website - breastcancer.com - and his. They are the most helpful, intelligent and informative.
BW
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BosumBlues, I'm not a good person to ask about supplements (yet!) I'm still learning.
If anyone sees an ingredient in there that I shouldn't be taking, please let me know and I'll limit it's use and/or give it to my daughter.
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Hi Sisters,
I want to update you on how I am doing.
Due to authorization problems with my old health insurance (I've since joined a new one and am awaiting my membership card any day now) I had my Lumpectomy on April 27 and still haven't had after treatment such as radiation and AIs.
I'm going to do both and if the AIs give me bad SEs then I'll go the natural route with supplements.
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Hi Sisters,
I want to update you on how I am doing.
Due to authorization problems with my old health insurance (I've since joined a new one and am awaiting my membership card any day now) I had my Lumpectomy on April 27 and still haven't had after treatment such as radiation and AIs.
I'm going to do both and if the AIs give me bad SEs then I'll go the natural route with supplements.
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Hippiegirl - sorry about the insurance mess. I had a mix-up with insurance the week of my surgery, and my surgeon ended up not being covered. We worked out a deal for her fees, since I didn't want any delays. Hope you get things going soon! I go for APBI/Brachytherapy out of state starting 9/11.
BosumBlues - I'm not taking many supplements right now, just fish oil and a D/A/k2 cap, sometimes a multivitamin. I don't eat soy, flax or any grains, no sugar either for that matter. Not on any protocol (yet) but following my regular ketogenic diet with some fasting thrown in here and there. I do use grass-fed bone broth collagen protein and a good MCT oil. My supplements will change as I learn, and I'm hoping to find a naturopath that knows breast cancer to work with when I get back. So much information out there - it's overwhelming!
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Hi FridayYet,
Thank you for your reply and support.
I wish you strength and peace on your own journey.
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Green tea extract can cause fatal acute liver failure according to livertox.gov
https://livertox.nlm.nih.gov//GreenTea.htm
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oops duplicate
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Thank you Marijen. I've never seen that site before.
Thanks for the posting and the resource! I definitely won't take it daily, just in case.
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As a vegetarian, I find dairy essential.I eat local and organic dairy only, mostly just yoghurt.I must have it for my calcium. It's nutrient rich.
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Ladybird, no growth hormones used in Europe (where I live). However, if I eat cheese, it is usually goat or sheep cheese.
Cancer active is not a medical source. There is at least one medical study suggesting a correlation between high consumption of high-fat dairy, cheese, butter, cream etc., and BC, although you can't quite know if the dairy is to blame or perhaps increased weight in the consumers. However, there are also studies suggesting a beneficial effect in relation to BC of fermented dairy like buttermilk and yogurt, so I really don't think it is very clear.
That dairy is bad across the board is something that has become a popular assumption, but I have yet to see any definitive proof that it is actually so. You can see this recent study, for example, which also posits a possibly beneficial effect of yogurt, but a slight detrimental effect of cheese and milk, as in drinking milk. http://cdn.nutrition.org/content/early/2017/02/08/cdn.117.000422
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I need dairy too, I try to buy the brst (forget what it means but it's supposed to be better) milk, not antibiotics, organic etc. And real cheese. I hardly eat butter, but refuse to give up eggs too. Yogurt once in a while - it has to have very low or no sugar. Parmesan has probiotics in it. The good news is I don't eat a lot of any of it.
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Marijen, I can't think of any reason why you should give up eggs. They are a cheap and nutritious source of protein.
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Further about the dairy, just saw this recent one:
A review and meta-analysis of the association between dairy intake and breast cancer risk in Prospective Cohort Studies
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Marijen and FridayYet
Re the SEs of Green Tea extract:
The way round this is to drink green tea and not to supplement it. It really is very good for us :-)
BW
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Garden Gypsy
Dairy is not essential for your calcium uptake. What is important is that you are taking sufficient Vit D3 - approx 3,000 to 5,000 pd - in a blood test you want about 175 reading, and not just the 70 that is the orthodox view - and Vit K2. These two vitamins will aid the absorption of calcium from plant food, greens etc..
Too much calcium in the body, like the medics give to women with Osteoporosis, simply clogs up and calcifies in the arteries. It is the uptake that is important.
BW
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Momine - Dairy etc
I just cannot agree with you.
The HGF(Hormone Growth Factor) in milk is in there because that is how and why milk is produced - to make babies grow. Calves and cows are much bigger animals than us and therefore need a lot more growing, Hence goat and sheep is better for us - but these too have the HGF - by necessity. Nothing to do with additives. I too live in Europe.
Canceractive.com bases ALL it's advice on research and studies and whenever the website states something there is always a link to the particular study.
BW
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Lady bird - I drink at least 16oz of green tea per day with two bags for years. No problems. Didn't mean to imply green tea is bad for you. It's only the extract. And I have read it in more places than livertox.gov. Green tea is VERY GOOD for us in more ways than one. All you have to do is look up the benefits of green tea, or anything else you might think of taking like coconut oil, walnuts, etc. A little bit goes a long way if it's taken daily.0
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Marijen
Eggs are not dairy. Therefore you can eat them as much as you like.
Also good to know is that the once upon-a-time scare that they increase unwelcome cholesterol is now well and truly dead and buried.
Enjoy your eggs, keep off the milk is my advice. :-)
BW
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I had an egg with spinach onion and havarti cheese this am, cooked in olive oil. Dairy: You know I always get it mixed up because the chickens hang out with the cows, don't they? (city girl)
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Thanks Marijen. We seem to be on the same page :-)
Coconut oil is a more saturated fat than butter and not good for us. I fell for the hype of everything coconut is good, but it really isn't. Saturated fat is bad for all people with cancer. Have a look at canceractive.com for the info on this. Makes complete sense to me.
EVOO (Extra Virgin Olive Oil) is the answer to everything :-)
BW
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Marijen.............Funny!..........Ha!
Actually, you are not the only one who gets confused. That's why I thought I would put it really simply. Ha!
Dairy = Milk and any of its products, i.e.
Milk, cheese, yoghurt, cream,
That's about it :-)
BW
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I'll check out www.canceractive.com
Thanks LB but I think pages back Chisandy did a run-down on saturated fat. Oh if only these things would stay in my head
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Ladybird, yes, I am aware of the natural growth hormone in milk. I have read on Canceractive in the past, and found the rigor wanting, to say the least. As I just demonstrated to you, the science is not at all clear on this.
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Yes I did a search for studies on coconut oil and breast cancer and came up with next to nothing. It does help colon cancer and chemotherapy....
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Thanks Ladybird, I ordered a greens supplement to help out while I'm staying in a hotel for radiation, thought it might help a bit, not realizing it had some green tea extract included in it. I'll just use it on days I don't get many other natural antioxidants in.
I do use dairy, not milk, mostly heavy whipping cream and cheese. Not sure if they sell a goat cream near me, I'll have to look around after I get back. I do eat a diet high in saturated fat and it has done my body wonders. When I talked to my doc about it, she said to just keep doing what I'm doing because losing weight was very important to fighting breast cancer recurrence.
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Fridayet, what high fats are in your diet pls
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Adv Exp Med Biol. 2017;960:571-606. doi: 10.1007/978-3-319-48382-5_25.
Obesity-associated Breast Cancer: Analysis of risk factors.
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Abstract
Several studies show that a significantly stronger association is obvious between increased body mass index (BMI) and higher breast cancer incidence. Furthermore, obese women are at higher risk of all-cause and breast cancer specific mortality when compared to non-obese women with breast cancer. In this context, increased levels of estrogens due to excessive aromatization activity of the adipose tissue, overexpression of pro-inflammatory cytokines, insulin resistance, hyperactivation of insulin-like growth factors (IGFs) pathways, adipocyte-derived adipokines, hypercholesterolemia and excessive oxidative stress contribute to the development of breast cancer in obese women. While higher breast cancer risk with hormone replacement therapy is particularly evident among lean women, in postmenopausal women who are not taking exogenous hormones, general obesity is a significant predictor for breast cancer. Moreover, increased plasma cholesterol leads to accelerated tumor formation and exacerbates their aggressiveness. In contrast to postmenopausal women, premenopausal women with high BMI are inversely associated with breast cancer risk. Nevertheless, life-style of women for breast cancer risk is regulated by avoiding the overweight and a high-fat diet. Estrogen-plus-progestin hormone therapy users for more than 5 years have elevated risks of both invasive ductal and lobular breast cancer. Additionally, these cases are more commonly node-positive and have a higher cancer-related mortality. Collectively, in this chapter, the impacts of obesity-related estrogen, cholesterol, saturated fattyacid, leptin and adiponectin concentrations, aromatase activity, leptin and insulin resistance on breast cancerpatients are evaluated. Obesity-related prognostic factors of breast cancer also are discussed at molecular basis.
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