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Hi to all.
Goldie wrote: So can I assume one can do this COC protocol, without going through them? You just need a doctor to prescribe the medicines? I'm going to run it by my MO and give him the link to the website. I just hate that we have to try whatever and just hope that it works!
If I'm not mistaken, it says somewhere on the COC website that this is a proprietary treatment and therefore, I don't think they will be crazy about others copying their methodology or drug combo. Not sure they would go after individual docs here and there but they are also registered as a clinical trial on clinicaltrials.gov. So that could give some MOs pause after they take a look at the information.
Speaking of trying what works, I posted on the Ibrance thread that Cokie Roberts' family thanked the National Institute of Health (NIH) for their care for her. If she was being treated at NIH, she was most likely on a trial regimen of some sort -- you can't just walk in there and get regular treatment.
Bev
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BevJen, I believe this protocol, if it belongs to someone, it belongs to Jane McLelland...the clinic came way after she cured herself!! She developed the protocol, and maybe she owns the COC for all we know.
Her doctor left the hospital where he worked and founded the COC clinic based on the surprising results of her therapies....the metabolic protocol is her discovery, her research, and conclusions....she's the genius..the only problem...she's not a doctor....
Cookie's story is a very sad commentary on where we are regarding stage 4: still in the Middle Ages!
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Frisky,
I am only repeating what I read on the COC website. I think it was in a Q & A section, maybe? Presumably someone has patented this, and if so, they could technically go after docs who prescribe it. As I said, though, I doubt that they would go after individual docs who were willing to prescribe the components, unless it truly hurt their bottom line.
Re: Cokie Roberts, NIH is home to the National Cancer Institute, and many of us go to NCI-affiliated hospitals for our care. Not sure if that means that NIH is in the Middle Ages when it comes to care. I'd prefer to think they are trying to do something about cancer, including breast cancer. But they are doing the immunotherapy trials there, and I don't know if that's what she was doing, or if she was getting some other treatment.
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BevJen, we can can both agree that she was getting THE BEST treatment possible at the NIH....and hopefully those TXs kept her alive for many years...but, the point is that they couldn't save her life...after all is said and done, the best doctors and therapies could not heal her..and that deeply saddens me...
If they couldn't help someone like Cokie...imagine one of us..
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So COC is effectively a subset (the parts that require prescription) of the McClelland Protocol?
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yes
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Husband, I would call the COC protocol, a succinct version of what she did to heal herself...the four medications should basically block the major pathways all cancers use to metastasize
However, you could further individualize the protocol by analyzing your particular cancer and blocking those pathways with other off label medications and supplements, which we are probably already taking
I believe, they are using just the four because it's hard to manage more at the same time. Plus the traditional treatments.
Simone, has indicated, for example that the FZ should be rotated monthly with the doxycycline. Obviously, one cancels the benefit of the other...
If you can afford it, use the COC, you will get the support you need...I will also, as well. I'm testing the SE of these medications before I get the COC involved.
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I moved my MO appt. as it was falling the day after we get back from camping, so now I'm scheduled for Oct 14. Leaving Friday for Moab and be back a week from Sunday. Sorry if I'm repeating, then flying to Ohio on Oct. 15th. So anyways, that gives me 2 more weeks on the FZ before I see him.
Simone, have fun and enjoy.
Mods, thank you so much!
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Thanks Frisky.
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I had my COC nurse consult this evening. I am likely going to proceed with it. As noted, I like that one consults with an oncologist who knows which chemos and other treatments I am on and feels comfortable about the safety. I am so heavily pretreated for so many years, I don’t want to roll the dice on safety.
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you’re doing the right thing JFL, no point taking risks at this juncture.
Please share your experience with us.
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JFL: Good luck with COC. I am visualizing another NED comming soon...
Frisky: I hope that tomorrow your MO will let you wait a little longer for the Y90 (I understood that this is what you want, correct me if I'm wrong) If love were healing, as far as I was concerned, you would be healthier than a 🌹
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Sonia what gracious and generous sentiments....I'm touched...
yes, you're right about my current tendency to postpone the Y90...I'm going to suggest I meet the IR, AFTER, my next pet scan,
seeing her now...seems a waste of time since no one knows what my current cancer layout is like....and I have a terrible presentiment about having Y90 on my ILC done at my hospital....just don't trust them, but that doesn't mean I would trust another medical facility....except for Grannax IR that's unfortunately located on the west coast.
so I'm kind of stuck, I hope that something happens that affects my perceptions of the world I live in...but the recent news about Cokie and the NIH, proves—in my mind—that it's not even a question of rich vs poor....after 100 years of tests and the trillion of dollars spent,they still don't know what the hell they are doing, and we're all fkd!
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I have not been using the CBD oil with FZ, but now that I've read this article on CBD and Breast cancer...I think .I'm going to add it
CBD can slow down and even halt the progression of breast cancer, even in its later stages, by switching off a protein Id-1 which causes that final and fatal step, according to research from the California Pacific Medical Center and funded by the National Institutes of Health in the USA.
In a previous study, researchers had shown that human metastatic breast cancer cells became less invasive in vitro and less metastatic in vivo mice when antisense Id-1 was used (2).
But antisense Id-1 cannot be used in humans. In this study (3), researchers used CBD oil. Unlike antisense it is non-toxic to healthy cells and can be used in situations where the immune system is low.
The researchers had previously shown that CBD could inhibit breast cancer metastases in mice; In this research, which researchers described as a 'breakthrough', they found that CBD inhibited Id-1 and metastases in human breast cancer.
The researchers stated that invasion and metastases is the final and fatal step in cancer. And here they had shown that Id-1 played a crucial role in that step. Now they have shown it could be inhibited successfully by CBD.
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I've been studying everything I could about cbd, and yes, it apparently helps. I also read that low doses of naltrexone and cbd, taken on alternate days, enhance its anti-cancer effects. There was some concern about naltrexone in relation to opioid medications since it is a drug that blocks opioid receptors, but apparently this happens with a dose of 50 mg. If taken in ultra low doses it produces what is called "a paradoxical effect" that is, it enhances the analgesic action of opiates. It is a very interesting question to deepen...
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That's a great article and links to research on CBD. I wonder how one would figure out the correct dose for a human?
From:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3410650/
"Mice were treated daily by intra-peritoneal injection with vehicle (used as a control) or either 1 or 5 mg/kg of CBD. We found that both doses of CBD significantly reduced the growth of the primary tumor in vivo."
If, one dosage a human at the same dosage per weight as the mice, that would be for a 60kg woman, 60-300 mg per day. No idea however how the dosage for a mouse would translate into a human. That's pretty complex pharmacology. Does a mouse need more, or less or the same mg/kg as a human? Anyone care to comment?
Found this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4804402/table/T1/?report=objectonly
Says to multiply the mouse dose in mg/kg by .081 or divide by 12.
So the equivalent cbd dose for a human of 60 kg would be 5 to 25 mg daily of cbd.
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Joe Tippens gives the precise amount of CBD to be taken with his protocol and also a good source for it, a pharmacist friend of his....that's what I’ll be doing
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I edited my post above, as I found on facebook (artemisinin group) a post that shows a chart for conversion between various animals and humans. For a mouse, its divide by 12.3 to convert to human dose.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4804402/
This is another reference of dosage between human and animals....however keep in mind that considering the overall death rate and terrible SE from cancer treatments, whatever they say and do is faulty and suspicious at best....
They tend to over prescribe the amount of medications with terrible results to our remaining working organs...with the hope that it will make a difference....but look at the ibrance dancing lady, they actually start really dancing when they go to 75mg...from 125 when they are basically in hell...same with the anti hormonals....less is better..
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Husband: Would you be so kind as to clarify that equation? For example, would 1 mg per kg of mouse equal 1 mg ÷ 12.3 per kg of humans? It is very important and interesting information to know, since we are all experimenting here.
I am just studying tamoxifen doses in mice and that information is what I was missing ...
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Yes, according to the chart, whatever dosage you would give a mouse, measured in units per body weight, you divide that by 12.3 to get the human dose.
So, if a mouse's correct dose was 12.3 mg/kg, then for a human the correct dose would be 1 mg/kg
60 mg/kg would become 5 and so on.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4804402/table/T1/?report=objectonly
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CBD is not psychoactive and I believe there is no way to overdose on it. Might be smart to start at the minimum and then work up -- as with melatonin.
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We have crossed post, now I understood. Thank you!
Frisky, yes! I am trying to adjust my own dose of antihormonals ... this information helps me a lot since my MO doesn't even want to hear about dose reduction...
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I live in Canada, and apparently some random testing of CBD products has revealed real quality control problems. Typically the product is under dosed, and often contains unwanted thc or higher levels than advertised. I think all the CBD currently available in Canada is grey market. The legal edibles have not yet hit the shelves.
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I live in CA so CBD easily available and there are certain purveyors that post their lab testing results. Easy to find CBD candies. Oftern they are about 5 mg-10 mg per candy. I have not been taking CBD but maybe that's a good idea. Many people find it beneficial for pain relief.
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From Joe Tippens success story
- Tocotrienol and Tocopherol forms (all 8) of Vitamin E (800mg per day, 7 days a week). A product called Gamma E by Life Extension or Perfect E are both great.
- Bio-Available Curcumin (600mg per day, 2 pills per day 7 days a week). A product called Theracurmin HP by Integrative Therapeutics is bioavailable., and
- CBD oil (1-2 droppers-ful [equal to 25mg per day] under the tongue, 7 days a week) oil
For CBD contact mcadoorandy@gmail.com and tell him Joe sent you
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Sonia, if your SE effects are debilitating, as they mine were, you might want to try taking them every other day and then see how they affect your TM and scans...
This plan really worked well for me, but of course, you might be taking a terrible risk, so act wisely....
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Santa...CBD candy ah? What a great idea! Just 3 candies and we’re done! I’m going to look into that...
Is there a brand you trust?
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There's one called Lord Jones (fancy and expensive) and another called Edens Cure that's more like capsules. I have not looked into it that much but those are a few Ive seen.
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Thank you Santa, I will look them up on line...I have also just written my palliative care fabulous doctor about getting a prescription for the oil....but I seriously doubt it's being used in conventional settings....
Santa, You're not kidding....9 drops for $45 whaooo, but they look really good andlegitimate! 20mg of CBD in each candy. That's $5 a pop!
The Eden's Cure CBD Tincture 250mg looks legitimate and good as well! Great info!
Thanks again!
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