Ringworm drug for dogs (Fenbendazole) might also cure cancer
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cascadians, I hear you and can't agree with you more about the lack of choices in the land of the free...choices of junk foods and drinks plenty of choices, but when it comes to cancer is one size failing all, but it's very good for business as usual.
Try to get a pet scan...they are toxic and unreliable but that's all we have in this great country of ours....we do have plenty of mediocrity in our super expensive medical system to rave about.
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Frisky, no scans. Had those in January and CT just a few weeks ago. My MO is that far, 4 hours one way, every 6 weeks.
Cas, big pharma, makes ya sick doesn't it??? Good for you in losing the weight. Too many SE's and being sick, to me, is just not worth it. May you find something that works. Maybe the FZ?
Sending big cyber hugs to everyone. Wish they could be in person!
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Santa...how many times a week did you do infrared sauna?
Is the IV Vitamin C safe while taking Ibrance/Faslodex, letrozole and lupron?
EDIT to add in: My MO just emailed me back and said that Vitamin C can interfere with therapy...so for now...thats out for me.
And I just found this for those of us that are on Hormone therapy drugs:
Some studies have even suggested vitamin C could interfere with some anti-cancer drugs, with one study showing it may even protect breast cancer cells from the drug tamoxifen.
Together, the research paints a confused picture, and perhaps it's unsurprising that headlines around vitamin C can often be misleading. But as there's no evidence a vitamin C jab cures cancer, and may even cause harm, this is unlikely to become a treatment any time soon.
https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2018/04/25/vitamin-c-as-a-treatment-for-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/Nicole
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Cas, you've done a lot of research. Thank you for sharing.
I have been following this thread as I am hoping fenben works for this group. I've been seeing a naturopathic doctor and I have been taking some of the pills on your list. I was going to start drinking Essiac tea and he told me not to. It may interfere with Ibrance.
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Took 2nd dose of Fenben. 1st dose yesterday, surprised by slight flushing and raised temperature, lasted about an hour. Today slight unsettled stomach, took ginger pellet and that took care of it. Took it with sesame milk and Vitamin E and a couple capsules of fish oil, Krill oil and primrose oil, but from now on will take it in the middle of a meal. Read more about how FenBen busts cancer. Yea!
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Try Dr Keith Block.... he's integrative MO, takes insurance, and he uses unconventional methods of dosing and administration of chemo that help people who are contraindicated for further treatment withstand it. He gives IV C and IV curcumin that he has specially compounded. Doses of chemos are pushed via a fanny pack pump, dripped in over days of time rather than in an hour, for example. Very innovative, worth an inquiry.
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Good morning ladies.
Well, saw my MO yesterday and all is good. Even with the elevated numbers, he agrees with me that it's from the infection. He asked me if I wanted to do another bone scan. I said NO, I really don't like having those things done and I just had one in January, and they did a CT scan just a couple weeks ago. So staying on my same regimen and see him in 6-7 weeks......see, my boat and I"m the captain!
I will start back on my FZ today, all done with anti b's. So happy to feeling more like my old self again!
Saw this on Joe's FB page, maybe you all might have too.
Ok friends, I spoke with my boss and have a follow-up to my post from a few days ago. Essentially, Pancur is a very powerful drug on solid tumors and here are all of the "molecular" reasons why.
1. Fenben has very low toxicity to the body, meaning it will not mutate your DNA. As we all know, cancer cells become cancer cells due to mutations in our DNA. Chemotherapy cannot target only cancer cells; therefore, chemotherapy ends up damaging both healthy and unhealthy cells. When healthy cells are damaged, it causes mutations. Too many mutations will eventually lead to a cell becoming cancerous, aka new cancer cells. Fenben does NOT damage healthy DNA, so you are OK to take it, it will not hurt you.
2. Fenben is a VERY oily substance and MUST be taken with a fat to be absorbed into the body. Every drug has a specific bioavailability, which is defined as "the degree to which a substance is absorbed into the body". Because Fenben is super oily it is not very soluble. The suggestion is to mix the Panacur with a tablespoon of olive oil and then chase it with whole milk to increase bioavailability. Be sure to mix and or chase with high fat substances to ensure the drug absorption has enough bioavailability, so your body is taking up the full dose. You want to make sure you are giving the drug the best absorption!
3. Fenbendazole attacks tumor cells in 5 different ways, which is why it is so very powerful. First, it destabilizes the cell structure, basically collapsing the cell. Second, it blocks the glucose channels within the cell wall, which ends up starving the cell of the glucose it needs to survive. Third, because of the lack of glucose intake, the mitochondria inside the cell (which is the main energy source of all cells is also starved. Fourth, it turns on the P53 gene. The P53 gene is found in all cells. This gene is used to prevent cells from turning cancerous. When a cell mutates to the point of cancer, the P53 gene is turned off. Fenbendazole turns this gene back on, basically killing the cancer cell from the inside out. Fifth, it stops cancer cells from colonizing (forming a large mass). If cancer cells do not colonize, they do not create new solid tumor masses.
I hope this information helps. It was passed along to me from a brilliant organic chemist. I hope I was able to answer your questions. A few of you passed along some questions that unfortunately I do not have an answer to as they are more specific to a medical doctor than a chemist's knowledge.
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Goldie congratulations on the results and getting back on the FZ protocol.
Thank you for posting Joe’s update on FZ. Very useful info we can all benefit from.
I took my FZ this morning after I ate a bison burger which tend to be greasy. I figured that what I eat should reciprocate dogs likely diet to be properly absorbed. I’m also staying away from darkchocolate right after the FZ, no science, just intuition.
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She also mentioned taking it with a tbsp. of olive oil followed by milk. YUCK, can't imagine swallowing a tbsp. of olive oil!
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Goldie,
Thanks for posting that as I do NOT have facebook and am unable to see this stuff.
So correct me if I am wrong... but that is basically saying that Fenben (Pancur) is good for cancer that feeds on SUGAR?? Correct??
If so, that seems as though Fenben would not be a very good choice for Hormone Receptor Positive breast cancer as that feeds on Estrogen not sugar. Correct?
Nicole
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Like us, to grow and spread our genes, cancer cells need to feed on anything they can get their little hands on...they love sugar more than the other 12 other identified pathways.
However, if the pathways to the various supermarkets and feeding stations are blocked by police, supplements and medications the cells become starved and therefore weak. When FZ works, like us when under the effect of chemo brain, it seems that they are too exhausted and too tired to figure out where the next McDonald is located, so they end up dying of starvation.
Then, if some of us have any P53 left, the equivalent of what was one's functional military, FZ causes the troops to wake up, realize their mission and move in to deliver those starved cells the coup de gras...
Results: clean scans that baffle our doctors already fragile little egos. Unfortunately, I've also noticed a strong tendency in patients to quietly die as they cheerfully wait forthe next major breakthrough, than go against their doctor's orders.
PS: Goldie, I take three large capsules of omega 3 oil at the same time...I wouldn’t be able to take the oilive oil and milk without throwing everything up
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Nicole, is this the part you are referring to?
Second, it blocks the glucose channels within the cell wall, which ends up starving the cell of the glucose it needs to survive. Third, because of the lack of glucose intake, the mitochondria inside the cell (which is the main energy source of all cells is also starved.
If so, I don't think it's saying to eat sugar, but that the FZ blocks the sugar, and starving cancer cells of the sugar (glucose) At least that is what I am reading. Perhaps some of the others, smarter than I, can chime in!
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Cancer loves to gorge on sugar. Eliminating sugar and most carbs from what one eats is first step to starving cancer.
However cancer is a tricksy bastard and will adapt and mutant to eat just about anything. So the more pathways you block, the better chance you can outwit cancer.
Fenben interferes with several cancer pathways which is a very good thing. It works better when taken with oils and fats. Pure virgin olive oil unheated is good at killing breast cancer, so drizzle it on some raw veggies like baby carrots and broccoli. Mix organic ground flaxseed with organic full fat cottage cheese -- just a few spoonfuls will do it -- and that will make the Fenben more bioavailable plus kill lots of cancer cells including the stem cells.
The more organic whole natural foods shown to kill cancer that you eat, the better chance you have of getting rid of cancer.
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Frisky lol You have a "lover of words" way of explaining things! I love it.
I have some good news of my own to share. Yesterday was infusion day so I couldn't get on net. For the first time the steroids hit me oddly. At 7pm last night, I was so tired. I slept till 5am this morning. Gosh I needed it to...it wasn't fatigue driven, I think my emotions just needed some peaceful rest
So, back to good news. Don't know if you knew/or remembered that I started Taxol 2/13 for JUST three months with nine infusions. The reason for IV chemo so early was my second breast tumor started growing onto my skin. Several small nodules that then formed together in the classic cauliflower shape. The ONCS (three of them scared me saying it would ulcerate, never heal, the stink of fumigation etc.) So I agreed to 3 mos. Then at the 3 mos scan it had shrink my b tumors by half, lymph node by half, and "dissipated" (radiologist's term) my small nodules in my lungs. (nothing for bone mets) My Onc pulled standard of care on me. Don't quit a treatment that is working! Although I complained it got me nowhere. Finally my fragile brain said well shoot they are probably right to continue. Meanwhile SE's are getting worse but I soldier on. (SE"S extreme depression, interest in nothing, mostly in bed, not leaving house and neuropathy in l. leg worsening.)
Yesterday at apt, I got my mojo back and was ready to tell him enough is enough. Well the bugger beat me to it. He said the end of the July we would quit Taxol, do a scan and then discuss treatment. When I looked completely dumfounded and said huh? He smiled and said we never intended it to be forever. And I must say I admire your bravery and staying power. I know that this has been more than difficult for you. My next infusion is set for the 29 of July but he said if I really wanted to that I could skip that one and get some breathing space. WOW
But although the above is good news, I have more......tumor markers....
Highest ever for C3-15 Jan. 75.0
April 66.5 ( presumably from Taxol)
started FENBEN 5/9 May 22.
7/1 15.7
I am really at a lose to explain it. In the very beginning of my tumor marker journey I had one breast tumor and a few lung nodules and my first tumor marker was in acceptable limits. My nurse said these are not accurate for you, we probably won't continue doing them! Then new onc. well he started them right back up.
Pray with me that they are accurate and that my CT/bone scan in early August will back it up.
My apology, I have been consumed in the post and it's been all about me. I'm still just so dumbfounded by yesterdays discoveries. I feel like someone unlocked my prison door and left it slightly ajar. But if I Believe and push hard enough, I'll make it though.
GOD bless all of us on this FENBEN journey.
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According to Jane McClelland's book, cancer cells prefer glucose for fuel/energy but can use other fuel sources if needed. I believe this is true of all cancers including hormone positive cancers. Hormones are not the food of the cancer but they help it replicate.
McClelland shows that there are three pathways for fuel, with glucose being the preferred pathway, and the others are glutamine and fatty acids. Her whole concept is to disrupt the food chains from all three possibilities. The drugs and supplements she advocates are all things that will disrupt the chain of events by which these food sources are utilized by the cell. If you cut off all three ways the cell can get energy, it will die.
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Snooky: I'm so excited for your news! I can not stop reading your post again and again! What you are achieving and you will achieve it completely. The joy that caused me to read you today is priceless. GIANT HUGS
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Snooky, is common knowledge that cancer markers numbers are affected by various factors, other than what's really going on with cancer cells, so try to not let those results, skewed by God only knows what other factors—including cancer cells demise—deter you from pursuing your goal.
Forward we go, with our quest to put a permanent end to our predicament....
cascadians....great ideas....I like full fat ricotta cheese, I will add the ground flax to that
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Snooky: I also suffered neuropathy and a brutal depression because of taxol. I'm happy that you can leave it soon. The symptoms will also disappear. Maybe the injuries to the bones will take longer to heal, but they will! They did it for Joe. As Frisky said, let's continue with the fenben until we achieve our goal.
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So let me understand this.... for those that are hormone receptor positive...you know your cancer feeds on estrogen. If ALL cancer feeds on sugar do the doctors not know this? Of course they do, is there anyone here whose doctor has told them to watch their diet or cut down on sugar because the cancer feeds on that?
So you are saying even though estrogen is making my cancer replicate - grow...it's sugar that is feeding it?
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Nicole there are a lot of complexities which is why the McLelland book goes into detail. ALL cells-- healthy and cancerous both-- eat glucose, and can also eat through essential fatty acids and glutamine pathways too. They will convert to one of the other pathways if you block only one pathway. You need to block all three.
YES, it is crazy how nobody tells cancer patients to correct their diets. I went onto a keto diet at the recommendation of a friend who is a MO but not my MO. (I "pulsed" my keto so that I would go into ketosis for a few days or a week and then go back out of it. I did not stay in ketosis the whole time.) I am was totally horrified when my chemo nurse actually said "feel free to eat milkshakes if that's what you feel like eating." That's POISON... sugar & fat & dairy!
When you say "feeds on estrogen" that is not quite correct.... It does not *eat* estrogen.
Think of a plant, which eats water and soil nutrients. Estrogen for cancer might be like the sun for a plant.... sunlight stimulates the growth of the plant but is not precisely a food source. Hormone receptor positive cancer thrives in the presence of estrogen, much like a plant thrives with sunlight.
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Nicole: As far as I know, Hormones promote the growth and replication of cancer, they do not feed it. My MO never said a word about sugar, in fact she allowed me to eat "merengue" because it is full of proteine...WTF? my SO said another patient to not eat sugar because it feeds cancer (the patient told me this) My MO and My SO are good friends and closely partners. I wonder if they talk about this
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Oh Frisky and Y there's nothing in this world that would stop me from continuing Fenben protocol. I do it like you do, 4on 3off just because the 4gr package makes it easier to do it that way.
Sugar, Drs know that cancer feeds on sugar as that's how a Pet scan works! Read up on it. And at my infusion center besides water there' s nothing healthy to eat. Instead acidic coffee and tea. And tons of assorted salty boxed crackers. (yuck) And …...chocolate chips cookies..
Frisky, I understand don' get hung up on tumor markers. It's 15.7 now, I mean com'on that's should mean I"m cancer free which, I know is far from the truth. But even if the "marker number" in and of itself is not accurate, they are still dropping and for that....I am grateful.
Y I am so very glad that you got some joy and peace from my post. Lets all try to keep those positive feelings alive. Fenben worked for lots of other folks and theres no reason on this earth that it cannot work for us.
If we just BELIEVE
God Bless
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Snooky I apologize ! I simply didn't read your post accurately and thought you were complaining about them. The truth is, like you have accurately stated, those numbers going down so much is a great sign...mine keep on going up....but I don't really trust them....so maybe I was projecting to my own situation. I'm very happy for you Snooky
Something weird has happened since the Doxil infusion, a persistent and growing pain in my arm and right shoulder that was affecting my quality of life—usually associated with a liver cancer reflex, or bone cancer growing in my humerus—is steadily diminishing....I'm not sure what it means, but I shared the good news with my MO.....something is working, not sure what, but I'm grateful...
This Friday, I should be getting results from the liquid biopsy, I hope I have some good old-fashioned P53 left in me
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fenbendazole and the other deworming drugs are supposed to boost p53 and restore tp53 function
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Thanks for the explanation about the sugar.
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Don't know if this link is going to work. It's a new article on Joe's protocol that his group get to see first.
https://www.facebook.com/download/2620584327965188...
If it doesn't work let me know.
Frisky No apology needed but, it was nice that you explained. lol.. I thought it was just chemo brain confusing you.
I'm happy for you too that Doxal seems to be fairly easy on you... NO crash days??
I just feel it in my bones that we are all going to be successful. And your decrease in pain is just the beginning. Praise God.
S
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-30158-6
For the scientific inclined, here's an article detailing exactly how FZ works, apparently is successful in accomplishing what many chemotherapy drugs try to do....
Do you think it's just a coincidence that we only get the expensive, toxic, and ineffective choices?
Snooky from my research, the SE start showing up a week later, this chemo is active for couple weeks...since it’s administered every 28 days, so chemo brain surely to follow, but the worse part is potential really bad hand and foot. I’m so happy you’re done with yours,and because of the amazing results, you don’t have to take more. Yeahhhhh!
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Snooky if you can copy and paste that info from facebook I would be grateful...I do not have facebook.
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Frisky,
That is a interesting article. I didn't understand a lot of the medical jargon but did get that it works. Am I reading the article correctly that it works with chemo? I am on I\L.
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I also find this article very interesting. May it could be another tool to add to our arsenal. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC35160...
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