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  • Kate33
    Kate33 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited March 2011

    LG300- I can only imagine how hard it must be to be back to full time again.  Not sure where I'm going to muster up the strength to do it!  Glad you were able to get a vacation in first.  Sounds wonderful!

    Stanzie- She's not sure I have nodules but felt something during the exam which is why she sent me for the US.  My brain just goes to the worst case scenario of course!  (I must have been absent the day they were passing out positivity!)  Did I know you had hypothyroidism on top of MS?  What medication do you take?  Good to know you're not having SE's with them.  Hope it works out the same for me!

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2011

    I was on Synthroid but now on the generic one. No I never had any symptoms at all. It was easier to lose weight ( well not at the moment ) but when I first started and I did just feel better so hope it is the same for you. Well you and I must have been playing hookey when the positive thinking was going around as I do the same thing totally!!! But I'm thinking you will get on med and feel better, get the job with fun, nice people and lots of money and no medical bad news at all!!! 

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 3,671
    edited March 2011

    Kate:  I am so happy you are at least going to get a chance at applying for Ryan air!  I am betting you will get an interview.

    The day I got my US of my thyroid back (nodes but all clear) is the day I found my BC lump.  Hopefully this is just a small bump in the road.  I was on Armour natural thyroid for awhile until I realized that it was still adrenal exhaustion I was dealing with.  The Dr. Lam site has a ton of info on dealing with the thyroid, too.  My friend who did the body temp reset in England no longer has a thyroid issue--all of her symptoms are gone.  PM me if you are interested in doing this instead of doing the drugs.  Hopefully I will do my reset right after I get out of these bandages and I will be your ginny pig!

    LG300:  There is no way I could take a full time job right now!  You take care of yourself on the weekends, and during the week, take your full break and lunch hours.  Try and even get in a 15 minute catnap if you can.  Eat well and pamper yourself, okay?  I am very happy you are finally working again, though.  Hugs.

    Barbe:  Kate knows more then I do about Dr. Khouri.  There is a woman on Timtam's site who had the implants plus 3 pounds of fat put in and they look even better then mine!  Also, because of the fat, they don't feel cold.  He is quite the dr. and if I ever have the money, I would go to him to have even more fat put in!!!

  • Kate33
    Kate33 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited March 2011

    barbe- I think Dr. K usually does the BRAVA right after MX and then fat grafting a few months later.  For those that have already had MX, but no recon, they would need to do the BRAVA first.  What I'm not sure about, and I'm going to ask him if I keep my appt with him on 4/19, is if I have my implants removed all together and fat grafting do I need to do the BRAVA.  If I do a revision I may choose to do what leeinfl did and just have my implants replaced for smaller ones and then fat grafting over the top.  I heard the BRAVA thing is a pain but I guess you wouldn't have to deal with having the implants replaced down the road.

    MBJ- I guess I'll see what the GP says today.  I'm guessing they'll want to send me to a endocrinologist and have them figure it out.  I feel like I did at the beginning of BC.  Trying to figure out who's the best doc, what treatment to do, etc.  I don't know much about any of this.  Does hypothyroidism cause adrenal fatigue or are they separate things?  I guess I should PM you with all this!  Feeling a little overwhelmed trying to get educated.... 

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2011

    Kate - I looked up the site and wondered the same thing. This Dr. I saw who was so mean he did a version of that but his method was wearing this huge thing 24/7 for about a year!!! and very slowly injecting fat in every month or so in tiny amounts. It was horrendous. This man sounds like he has perfected the whole procedure. However one thing when I was having my nipples and tatoo's done I was asking my PS about lipo which they have to do to get the fat. The problem is and I had a friend who had some work done on her thighs and this did happen to her, is that if you can stay the same weight then great but if you gain weight or I guess if weight redistributed well then you have no idea where it will go.

    My friend always had a tiny waist and after her lipo any weight she gained went to her waist and she still looks fine just not like she used to. Anyway, my PS said you want to be careful as if you are removing a bunch from all over as Kate you and MJB are both slim women the problem is that he said in Hollywood this has happened and the weight goes weird places like your shoulders or ankles or wrists. As once they remove those fat cells you cannot gain weight there so if you gain any it has to go somewhere. Not that I'm saying any will be as drastic as Hollywood but just something to keep in mind. Does this make sense? Good luck to day Kate - thinking of you. 

    I thought in general the whole fat idea makes the most sense as it would feel totally natural.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 7,605
    edited March 2011

    That did make sense!! I had lipo under my arms when I go the reduction years ago. That's probably why my bits of fat have crawled around my bra line in the back so now it looks a bit like I'm wearing a bra and I'm not!

  • Kate33
    Kate33 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited March 2011

    Stanzie- I hadn't heard of that about the lipo.  That's kind of scary!  The women in my family tend to be pretty thin until menopause and then they get a little more pear shaped.  The thought of fat in weird places would freak me out.  The doctor's appointment today was kind of worthless.  I showed up and they didn't have the US results as promised.  She said she'd call me so I didn't have to come in again.  She did give me a prescription though which I start tomorrow.  

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 3,671
    edited March 2011

    Re:  Lipo and fat moving:  I have had fat taken 2 x out of my belly for recon, and both times I torture myself in a spanks style corset for hours at a time to insure my belly stays flat.  So far it hasn't gone anywhere weird, although i have heard of that happening.  I think if you use it for losing weight and then just go right on eating poorly, this could happen very easily, however, I never even noticed any fat leaving the first time, lol!

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 3,671
    edited March 2011

    Kate:  Many people have adrenal issues first and then thyroid issues but not everyone has adrenal fatigue.  If you have it as bad as I had it then it can lead to thyroid issues.  Complicated, I know.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 7,605
    edited March 2011

    MBJ the spanx would help only the area of lipo. Once fat cells are gone, they are gone. They don't duplicate. So if you gain weight, the fat cells you do have, get very large. If more fat is added, it has to go somwhere, so other fat cells may pick up the excess. Those cells could be in your ass, thighs, legs, etc. So the spanx is used for muscle control and healing really.

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2011

    Barb, that is my understanding of this as well. MBJ - I think You are someone who is just in terrific shape and most likely eat well so I'm not surprised you wouldn't have noticed. My weight jumps all over the place therefore I'm more wary of the lipo thing.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 7,605
    edited March 2011

    Are those cement geese?

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 3,671
    edited March 2011

    Kate:  Re:  Dr. Khouri and fat grafting breast recon.  I just spoke with a PS yesterday and he told me that it is a well known fact that fat will go away after 2 or 3 years and that the PS is only held accountable for year one.  His opinion is that all of these women will have to go back and have more work every couple of years to add more fat!  That being said, all of the fat injected into my breast the first time went 100% away-not sure if any of the fat will stay this time, either.  Someone on the picture forum told me that whatever fat doesn't take hold just disappears and I have also heard only 50% stays after several rounds of fat grafting over time.  There seems to be a split in opinions of dr's on this, but unless they have come up with a new way to make it stay, I wouldn't put all of my hopes in doing just fat.  This PS also said that reconsturctive surgery is very complicated and Dr. Khouri sounds like he is just offering a very simple surgery that won't have lasting results--you would be better off going to a microsurgeon (my PS is one) who does the complicated stuff and fat grafting.  Only some insurance companies cover the fat grafting--many don't.  It might be Dr. Khouri is coding his surgery as breast recon when it really isn't.  I see my own PS next Wednesday, and I am going to speak with him to get his opinion on this, too.  Just want to make sure you are going to someone who can really help you!  Also, have you ever looked into NOLA?  I hear they do beautiful work there, too.  Hugs!

    BTW:  My PS does the fat grafting for free! Because it is a teaching and research facility, this is part of how he trains people.

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 3,671
    edited March 2011
    Barbe & Stanzi:  I kind of did experience the weird fat thing I think when I had a myomyectomy in 1999--right above the area where they cut me open I developed this weird protruding area of fat that made me look like I had a pot belly.  This is what I begged my PS to get rid of and he didLaughing.  The spanks is working well, though I am not enjoying wearing it.  It does make me look like I have an hourglass figure, though!Surprised
  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2011

    Barb = not sure what they are made up just thought the picture was hilarious and reminded me of my three kids as that is what they would be doing. LOL!

    MJB - Wow, very interesting on all the fat stuff.... wish my regular fat would just disappear - why is it things never work like that? 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 7,605
    edited March 2011

    Just like I can't get a disease that causes weight loss!!

    So MBJ, does that mean you're going to have to get your fat grafted every couple of years?? What if you run out of fat?? Do your breasts "deflate" when the fat is gone? How can this be an approved method if it's ongoing maintenance? Where does the fat go? Back to your ass???

  • hopefulhealing
    hopefulhealing Member Posts: 581
    edited March 2011

    barbe1958 I can always count on you to make me laugh or smile. Thank you

  • LaBechtel
    LaBechtel Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2011

    I love that quote that "you've been strong too long." I am just starting Effexor. What do people think of that drug and what has their experience been with it?

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 7,605
    edited March 2011

    Any of the drugs take 3-6 weeks to build up in your system. Whether you take it at night or in the morning is something you'll have to figure out. If it makes you drowsy take it at night for example. Some people get nauseous but I don't know why. Maybe any chemical in their body tips their balance. Some drugs also can deepen your depression - go figure! So, if you have thoughts ot suicide, for example, call your doctor. You may have to build it up gradually in your system as well, but until a couple of weeks go by, you won't know if you need more. It's not an instant fix. Also, you shouldn't FEEL it in you. You shouldn't be buzzed or dopey. Good luck!

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2011

    Oh Barb - You are just amazing!!!! I love your direct humor - is that a good description?

    LaBetchel - I was on Effexor and I for one hated it! I was on a whole series of drugs when for me what I was really needing to do was to get a divorce and the depression went away. Anyway, I only know of one other friend who also had a hard time with it. I have read on these board some people find it really helps. I never found one that helped. Some made me really tired, others jittery, others more depressed but almost all made me way more irritable and just made me want to give up so I wasn't a good anti-depressent person. However, the reason I'm writing all this is to tell you one big thing to ask your doctor is if it isn't for you how to get off it! This became a tremendous problem for me and my friend to a lesser extent. It took me almost a year to wean myself off and with it came migraines and nausea. It was horrible. 

    So everyone's body does react differently but just make sure your doctor tells you everything about these drugs and how switching to other drugs work and such. This was a regular doctor probably should have been getting the drugs through a psychatrist as I think they understand these powerful drugs a bit better.... so just my experience

  • A_pallens
    A_pallens Member Posts: 4
    edited March 2011

    Personally - I like to think I put the FUN in disfunctional!

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 3,671
    edited March 2011

    Barbe:  Oh you just crack me up but I have to say, the deflated breasts crossed my mind!  This same PS said he knew a Dr. back in the 80's who lost his license for doing a similar thing using fat only to create breasts--it doesn't last.  The more important thing is to do more research and to ask the right questions!  I would want some kind of guarantee that I wouldn't have to have a revision every 2 years.  My fat grafting was a freebee, but Dr. Khouri is covered by insurance the first time--will it also be covered still after a couple of years?  Maybe, but I thought that it's important to know that you might have to do a general maintenance thing with the fat grafting, whether my PS or Dr. Khouri or anyone else for that matter does it.  BTW:  It's already in my ass, lol!!!  Belly & ass is where all of the fat I do have ends up--as Kate calls it-junk in the trunk.

    Ladies, I have been doing much research and like to share my findings here with you.  I have been suffering horribly from fibromyalgia and a very scary low body temp since all of my surgeries and this is a great article on this:

    http://www.wellsphere.com/fibromyalgia-article/fibromyalgia-and-low-body-temperature/1295181

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 3,671
    edited March 2011

    Here is another article:   http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/coldbody.html

  • Kate33
    Kate33 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited March 2011

    Hi everyone!  Hope you're all having a good week.  Finally got the results from my US.  I do  have some nodules on my thyroid.  They told me they want to take the "wait and see" approach, though, and check them again in 6 months.  Not sure how I feel about that since I'm paranoid about any kind of possible cancer.  I got started on the thyroid meds, though.  I am amazed how many people suffer from hypothyroidism and how many of its symptoms are the same as fibro, chronic fatigue and other auto-immune diseases as well as depression.  Am hoping if these meds work I can get off the anti-depressants.  

    I think I read that Effexor is supposed to be good for hot flashes.  Anyone else heard that?

    MBJ- That stuff about the fat grafting is kind of scary.  Makes me re-think the appointment I have with Dr. Khouri.  Going to have to do some more research now.  Thanks for passing it on! 

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 3,671
    edited April 2011

    Kate:  You can always keep the appointment and ask him how many patients he has that are 3 years out that still have the same results today without any additional grafting or ask him straight out about maintenance and get it in writing! 

    Taking the Iodoral which is an iodine/potassium supplement may help with the nodules--my US showed the same thing--not cancerous.  Iodine gets rid of the growths.  I take 12.5 mg daily but some women take 100 mg per day.  My TSH never got that high.  Do you know what your T3 & T4 are?  Synthroid is made up of only one, I think it's T3, so if that is low, then it could help if your T4 is low, then you would be better off taking something else, because Synthroid won't help.

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,611
    edited April 2011

    Kate - when you have your apt. Any chance you are going through the Atlanta airport?

  • Kate33
    Kate33 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited April 2011

    MBJ- My GP never even tested my T3 and T4.  (Another reason to see a specialist.)  I'm afraid of trying too many new things at once because then I don't know which ones are helping.

    I am totally and completely depressed.  I got another email from that airline I was applying with.  They have decided not to open a crew base here and are not going to be hiring after all.  WTH?  And they're just figuring this out now when the interviewing was supposedly going to start next Monday?  My DH is seeing a neurologist in May to finally find out if he has Parkinson's.  If he does he will probably be grounded immediately.  I was just so sure I'd have a job by the time that happened.  He's always been my rock and I feel like for the first time he really needs me and I'm not coming through.  I know its not rational but I feel like I'm letting him down.  I just don't know what else to do, though. I feel so overwhelmed and don't even know what direction I should be going.  When did life get so damn hard. 

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 3,671
    edited April 2011

    Kate:  I am so sorry!  I cannot imagine being in your shoes right now after all you have been through already.  Maybe your next job is not going to take you far from home because this is where you are needed, close to your loved ones.  I imagine the skills you have aquired while being a stewardess would be transferable to another field.  Have you thought about going to a high end head hunter?  Before I got into the field I am in now, I was unable to go back to the job I had done due to an injury and I ended up meeting with a headhunter and if I hadn't found a job on my own, I know she would have found me a job.  I hadn't worked in the job market for a few years and she helped me beef up and fine tune my resume and this might be something to consider.  I will be sending you many good thoughts in hopes that something opens up for you.  Big, big hug!!!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 7,605
    edited April 2011

    Well, I can add to the bad news. I was supposed to meet with Michelle to sign my contract. She called the night before to say that Australia wasn't accepting my online testing (it was their test) results as positive. I blew right off the charts for the intelligence portion (I have a genius IQ so I always do well in that), but only average on human interaction skills. Here's the kicker....if I was balanced (ie average IQ AND average interaction skills) I'd be hired!! BUT because I was "unbalanced", they felt I was not a good candidate. Have you ever heard anything so stupid!!! Michelle was quite upset, almost crying, as she'd been without an asstant for almost a year and desperately liked me. There's nothing she or I can do. So there.....sigh. Not a funny post - just a real one.

  • hopefulhealing
    hopefulhealing Member Posts: 581
    edited April 2011

    Kate 33 and Barbe I am so very sorry for your pain and loss and fear. I wish I could wrap my arms around both of you and hug you very tight.

    It seems sometimes that life keeps pushing us down. So many unknowns and some of the things we do know for sure are scary and nasty as well. 

    Know that we are hear for you both and care very much.