Ringworm drug for dogs (Fenbendazole) might also cure cancer
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Frisky, that is really cool that you have been able to find some medicinal mushrooms in the woods. I've looked for chaga, and while it grows here, it isn't that common to find stands of birch. We used to buy chaga from a local harvester, but she has fallen off the map.
I try not to combine too many mushrooms because the MSK study showed that at a very high level, it starts to become counter productive. If my wife is going to take chaga in addition, we reduce the MD fraction dosage. Its completely unscientific to guess at how much, but that's about all you can do, as no one has studied combinations and limits. I am encouraged that in the Japanese hospital study they used only 125mg daily plus some whole mushroom and got results.
As for the dosage of drops of MD Fraction, I believe they divided it up into two doses in the MSK study, but my memory is a bit foggy on that. In any event, my wife divides hers into two doses of 37 drops 2x a day.
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Snooky, I really had no idea that message would mean so much to you. I also see that as a message from God. The universe "conspires" to make things happen without our conscious participation.
You know? Taxol maked me so depressed and so sad that I tought about suicide. That damn drug is like that. When you leave it and clean it of your body, things will look different.
In addition, fenben works similar to taxol, both work "destabilizing microtubules" (whatever that means) so you will not be without coverage when you leave taxol.
Headaches can be for many reasons, there are too many toxins circling in our body. They can also be by tension.
Snooky, don't lose hope, I know that the FZ will work for you. Everything will be fine. HUGS
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You guys are so great! Santa, I"ve never heard of the treatment you mentioned but, I'm sure going to look into it. That sounds wonderful. My second son, also inherited this from me. So I'm sure he'd be interested in it too.
Frisky...Started this past May with every other week to see if the depression eased. Also, cut way down on steroid use.. It hasn't seemed to help. I asked a nurse how long taxol stays in your system and she said forever??????
At my treatment on the 15th, I just came right out and told my ONC that I could not do it anymore. And I brought up my leg. He said what's the matter with your leg? ( I'd been telling him about my neuropathy so he damn well knew that I'd been having issues) And finally he said yes " I think we need to stop the taxol) He said he was going on vacation but when I came in on the 29th that would be my last one. He also said he was leaving the nurse prac a note and if my leg was still the same to skip the infusion on the 19th.
I only know that he's considering zeloda from his notes in my portal. He never said anything to me.
I think I need to stop it and do a heavy duty detox to get that crap out of me. But, then, I question myself. (wishy washy) lol
You know what Sonia? Once I mentioned depression and taxol on the MCB weekly taxol thread a few other ladies said the same thing. Deep dark thoughts while on taxol chemo but they never connected it to the chemo.
And then there's this which I believe with all my heart. Two years ago, just two months after my mom died I found the lump in my breast. I was almost on my knees begging God, no please, you know I can't go thru all of that. (cut burn poison) And I know he said, Don't worry, you don't have to do it that way.
So I read and read everything about alternatives. Changed my diet, did supplements and felt like a million bucks. But my kids pleaded with me ten months into that begging me to do the the ONCs wanted. And sure enough as soon as I did, they found bone mets and lung nodules within months.
So, now I'm going to go back on the supplements that I took and try to get back on the vegan diet that I loved so much..
You guys give me so much courage. I'll be praying for everyone of you
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Snooky, don't let the H&F scare you about xeloda not everyone gets them. It's very mild if prescribed 7 days on and 7 days off, around 6 pills @ day, in comparison to what you're experiencing.
After you detox from the Taxol, If X works, you could be on it for a very long time...no more infusion. It's a relative, very easy therapy to be on...
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Picked up my antibiotic, Cipro. Have to take it a week. Guess I'll hold on FZ until I am done with this. I suppose I'll have to count the FZ as the beginning again, as it's been so long since I've had any.
Snooky, I'm so sorry for all you are dealing with. I think we are anxious for your scans, but not in the way you are. Do you have a date?
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Yeah!! I found a success story for mbc er / pr +!
For those interested in reading it, it has been published by user Jeff Boatwright on July 20.
Breast tumor missing, clear lymph nodes. Bone scan results will be for next week.
She also did Ibrance, rads and taken supplements ... but it's long to explain and I couldn't copy and paste with my phone. HUGS
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That is great to hear Yndorian1. If possible, when you get a chance if you could cut and paste it that would be great.
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Here is the post:
Jeff Boatwright posted Jeff's wife 7-19-19.
my wife was diagnosed 8/18 with hormone positive/her2- breast cancer in her left breast, over 18 lymph nodes on that side and some in chest near lungs, metastasizes to one pelvic bone (she had excruciating pain) one vertebrae and rib. she immediately started on CBD and THC and turkey tail mushroom along with being put into menopause chemically (she was para-menopausal) and immediately prescribed common treatment for her cancer type which was letrozole along with Ibrance (oral tablets)...she changed her diet to low/no carb/sugar. she was referred to radiation oncologist for pelvic tumor and pain (the pain though after only 2-3 weeks of the CBD/THC/Turkey tail/letrozole and Ibrance had disappeared but they did treat that area with radiation as it was small and not close to any major organs. Her marker antigen 15-3 de novo was 70 and rose to a bit over 100 and then steadily dropped. she added the 222mg fenbendazole 3/19 with the vitamin E succinate and tumeric (she was already using CBD and THC). after 1 month we increased to 300mg fenbendazole and then after 1 month to 400mg fenbendazole 4 days a week (careful as she had neutropenia once in march before starting fenbendazole as Ibrance lowers neutrophils as well as red and white blood cellls already). Her antigen marker rose slightly after starting fenbendazole by 10 pts and then returned downwards to normal range (25 now I believe at last measure). Her intial tumor which was cherry sized shrank to where she wasn't sure if she was feeling it any longer and pain she had lying on side with cancerous lymph nodes dissipated. Her oncologist reading where study suggested that removing initial tumor and lymph nodes though stage 4 increases survival time so she was referred to get a new PETscan and see a surgeon...the insurance company denied the pet so they had her get a MRI of breasts and lymph nodes, a CT scan and a Bone scan (all with contrasts)...she had the MRI on tuesday and other today along with consult with surgeon. the surgeon showed us that the MRI showed no cancer at location of initial breast tumor and cancerous lymph nodes on that side that were given markers now appear normal in appearance! results from CT and bone scan will not arrive until next week. I didn't have total confidence that she would have this result but it didn't surprise me much either. Thankful to Joe for sharing his experience and while we are not sure what aspects of her protocol worked we are very happy with the "miraculous" result so far and plan to continue on with gratitude to the Lord and having the right tools to work with.
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https://m.facebook.com/groups/244815949755622?view...
Maybe this link can work...
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Thank you Goldie!
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That is reassuring. I am planning to start after my next scan which should be next month.
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I hesitate to pop the champagne till next week, when we'll get more information that will confirm these wonderful results ...it will be great to read that the cancer in her bones is gone as well....OMG, to you realize how wonderful that would be?
Thank you Goldie and Sonia for the good work of reporting the full text and finding the news.
Joe, in his blog listed breast cancer couple times, but without the important details of knowing what type or what they took exactly...this detailed story is much better
God bless this couple, may they benefit, and help us keep our faith alive, as we go through our various treatments.
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Well said Frisky! And I second every word of it
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Frisky, Thanks for the tumbs up about zeloda. Goldie, no date yet. As they want it in the first week of Aug.
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Goldie, Thanks for posting especially for those of us without facebook. I wonder how many times a week for that 1st month she did the fenben 222mg? Also I wonder how much of the Vitamin E and how much of the Tumeric MG and how many times a week? If you know can you post it here?
Goldie also I saw back a few pages where you posted information about Tumeric and Curcumin...you mention that they are 2 different things, I think you also mention something about it not being good for hormone positive breast cancer (which I also have heard elsewhere) I think you said something like it produces estrogen (Please forgive me if I am misquoting) Could you help me to understand this properly?
So in Joes protocol does he mean to use Tumeric with curcumin or just Tumeric? Is it safe for ER+ cancer?
Thanks,
Nicole
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on the topic of turmeric and curcumin - curcumin is a part of turmeric. So if one uses turmeric one by default gets curcumin and other stuff as well.
Even after reading a lot about dosages and forms of them I am confused about it - it looks like bioavailability of different forms is very different so dosages are not interchangeable- or is it just a ploy of more expensive brands to be able to sell their stuff?
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Great news from Joe's page ( there are about three posters who are making a paste of FenBen and using it on skin cancers. A couple use DMSO with it.
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"I have a fungating tumor on the outside of my breast, which has been growing outward, scabbing, & generally not looking good. I started Joe's protocol on May 24. 3on, 2off, 3on, 3off, today is day 2 of the next 3 on. I noticed this evening that changes are abreast! Some of its outer scab is loosening & sloughing off. It's not got that outward push. It's definitely beginning to break down slowly, & my lymph node is noticeably smaller! Wow! I don't do any medical testing, no doc or insurance, so I cannot tell you numbers. But I must say that I'm already seeing changes. Hang in there and ya gotta believe!
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There are 69 comments to this post with lots more info.
This is definitely gonna work for us, Girls. Keep believing
Sonia----I can't find that post where the women mentioned my name. Could you send me a link?
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Oh dear Nicole, I don't know where I heard about the turmeric and curcumin, Google is my friend. I think one is made from the other, nor do I remember where I heard it bad for + BC. I'm not the best person for research! From the post above...."As for the article, it looks like she was taking it for 4 days." But that was after they upped it a few times, not sure how long she took it for the first month.
Snooky, I saw where some were using a paste and even including pictures.
I have a dentist appt. this morning and I'm not liking how this Cipro is making me feel.
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Yes, Goldie I've been following that posters thread. The picture speaks volumns. Last I saw the cancer was gone! Good luck with your dental appt., if you can make it there.
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Latest post from Jeff....
Jeff Boatwright the full body CT and Bone scan results came back today. the CT scan also confirms MRI that initial breast tumor that was 3.8cmx2cm is gone and all lymph nodes appear normal around breast area...there was a node near lungs on pet scan in September that they say is " Stable 6 mm right lower lobe lung nodule, indeterminate" so I guess that one is unkown since it wasn't a PET scan they didn't have view of uptake of glucose but the size is the same. the CT showed healing in the 3 bone lesions and the Bone scan using glucose uptake said only one had any increased uptake (a rib lesion). so potentially that rib may have living cancer cells and the other bones maybe not. (she had 3 known bone METS one of which was the rib). So, this is encouraging that everything is shrunk including the rib lesion even though it had increased uptake and the node near lungs is unkown. the fact that the primary tumor is totally gone is awesome.
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A poster on Joe's page asked if anyone was having success with Fenben after being heavily treated with SofC. Here is one answer ..!!!!!!
-----------I have triple negative breast cancer with metastases in the lungs(4×) and liver(1×) No more chemos since 15 January 2019 (I recently had chemo 12 x carboplatin and gemcetabine started this in March 2018 and also started in February 2018 with the Rick Simpson therapy and eating without sugar, meat and gluten. The scan in May 2018 said: all tumors were half the size .... then had scans in Oct 2018 and the beginning of April 2019 remained stable AND NOW IT COMES :
started the protocol on 27 May 2019. I only added FZ and Vit E because I used the rest CBD / Curcumin as well. 29 June 2019 I had another scan and you don't believe it:
ALL METASTASES IN LUNGS GONE !!!! and liver was stable. So now i only have a 16mm tumor in my liver.
So this works !!!! go for it what have you got to lose.
(Sorry for my English I live in the Netherlands.)
(In April 2016 first left BC operation and 16 radiation than October 2016 right BC this was triple negative breastcancer ,15 chemotherapy and 23 radiation and October 2017 I was diagnosed with metastases in lungs and liver also triple negative)---------------------------------0 -
Goldie thanks. Cipro is extremely strong I mean they use it to treat Anthrax poisoning. Make sure to take it with food. I would also take the Fem Dopholus I told you about to help avoid a yeast infection. Also a stomach probiotic because Cipro is so hard on the stomach.
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may I suggest to those of you, rightly concerned about using this protocol in relation to your MBC status and the medications you're taking, to stop worrying and simply wait for enough results, that prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that FZ and vitamin E will not harm you, before deciding on what's best for you.
Stay on your current medications as none of us are doctors or researchers—except for Cureious—and can properly counsel you. Plus....you can be sure, that if there were MOs among us, they would tell you that it's quackery, don't do it! So there....whaooo....I've actually provided you with a scientific answer...
Since, the idea is to survive, you could achieve that goal by simply doing what you've doing, you should know by now what the odds are, in my estimation, the same as playing Russian Roulette
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Well said Frisky! I'm only taking a break from the FZ until I am done with this stupid antibiotic. I will have been off FZ for a couple of months. I do the FZ, Gamma E and CBD.
Nicole, thank you. Not sure where I would get the Fem Dopholus, I live in a very rural area, with Wal Mart being our main shopping and is a 2 hour round trip drive!
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Frisky I feel like your post is mainly directed at me because 1. I asked about dosage and 2. you basically said the same thing to me in a PM last week that you just said in your post. Thats fine I don't have a problem with that but with that said I will say I feel gathering information, which I have seen more than a few posts on here about dosage questions for this protocol by different people doesn't necessarily mean someone is going to start taking it. It (for me) is about gathering information for if/when I do need it. For example the post that Goldie posted about that women that was hormone positive that did the protocol what's the point in knowing it worked if no one knows what the dosage of what she was taking was??
I will always inquire what and how much someone took of any meds/protocol in case I may want to try that one day.
Yes, I personally will stick with just Ibrance right now, however someone just posted the other day (in another thread) that Ibrance didn't even work 3 months for them. So if God forbid that was the case I want to be armed and ready to try something else.
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Goldie I only order it on Amazon but some people get it in the refrigerator section at Whole Foods. Here is the link:
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Thank you again Nicole, but by the time I order it, I will be more than half way through the antibiotic. Oy vey, the things we have to do!!!
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Goldie it is still good to take I do not take it just for the UTI it prevents recurrence. Also It helps the vaginal track get back on track from the Cipro. Either way I added the link above in case you want it. You may have to copy and paste it. I hope you feel better soon I definitely know first hand how horrible UTI's can be and the antibiotics that treat them
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Nichole, It might have been me that was talking about turmeric/cure. and that's what Goldie read. I've read so many differing opinions on whether it is harmful or not. I had written pages back on this thread, that maybe I ought to just start making a lot of curry dishes. (since someone told me natural turmeric was safer. true????)
I do know this......when I was on ibrance/ful (started shrinking tumors than stopped, only on it three mos.) My nurse Prac. who is very open-minded about supplements, said be careful of taking too much curcumin. I wished I had asked how much was too much. But I did not.
If you want scientific evidence, instead of "she said" or "I heard", lol, trying going to Pub.med.com. It's a great place. Just type in breast cancer and curcumin, for example, and all studies will be pulled up.
Good luck on your decision,
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You see Nicole...the problem is that all the information you were requesting, was clearly described on the post already...you have to maybe read it over and over —like all of us do—to understand and absorb it....and process it for future use.
But, let me ask you just for the heck of it...what does it matter what that particular woman did in relation to your situation?....she greatly deviated from Joe's protocol because that's what she felt she had to do to succeed...
The only thing to be learned is how malleable the FZ medication is....it anything it proves that it works regardless of the initial protocol, that it's adaptable....nothing is set in stone....
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