Ringworm drug for dogs (Fenbendazole) might also cure cancer
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Snooky, how did they know the tumors shrunk with in 3 months and then stopped? Did they scan you before the 3 month mark like at 2 months then again at 3?
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Nichole, I'm trying to remember. I need to go into my portal and check it out. Will try to post answer later today.
(I do remember LOTS of the ladies on the Ibrance thread said 3mos is not long enough to tell but my situation was unique.. will explain that later too)
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Frisky,
here is a quote from the post:
. she added the 222mg fenbendazole 3/19 with the vitamin E succinate and tumeric (she was already using CBD and THC). after 1 month we increased to 300mg fenbendazole and then after 1 month to 400mg fenbendazole 4 days a week
No where in there do I see after her adding in and starting the 222mg of the fenben how many times a week she took it or how many times a week she took the vitamin E and turmeric?? If you see that there please highlight and show me because I feel like maybe I am just going crazy so I asked 2 people here with me at home reading it and saying they do not see that either??? lol are we all missing it?
You asked what does it matter what she did in relation to my situation...well what does it matter to anyone in this thread?? Other people have also asked dosing questions. In relation to my situation is because she is the only person that I have heard of with ER PR+ Her2- doing this protocol and saying it worked. I have the same type of breast cancer so I am wondering what she took to make it work for her. I think everyone that asked about dosing as I did asked for the same reason? no?
Anyway I personally do not see any harm in asking simple dosing question that is clearly not mentioned in what I read..the MG is mentioned but not how many times a day or a week it was taken.
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Thanks Snooky
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Goldie, thank you for this very important update! I had missed your post earlier..distracted as I was by other urgent matters...
OMG that is so Fckg amazing I'm beside myself in happiness right now...Letrozole is known to produce a big effect at the very beginning—I am someone that benefitted greatly from it—but it's not known to affect the bones....in fact no medication or chemo is known to affect the bones. In the words of my MO: there's no way for the medications to get there....
Also, thank you Snooky for your post regarding that other case with amazing results....
I'm so happy for those people! Their courage and ability to think outside the box have produced the desired results, in a field that constantly fails all our best genius type oncologists!
I have not received approval for my PET on Monday, so I might have to wait a few weeks till my insurance approves it...but one thing I can say...Doxil so far has been a walk in the park for me, my energy has never been this good...thank you JFL for recommending it...but now I wonder what else could be goinon..... hummmm.....
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I took the fenben protocol for 5 or 6 weeks with no problem. Then I developed daily diarrhea that would last 4 or 5 hours. I stopped the fenbenfor a week to see if that was the culprit and I have not had diarrhea since. So, I think the fenben caused it. Has anyone else had this problem.
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Nicole, the only way to know the answer for that particular women, is to go on facebook and see if it's in the comment section. I am sure that someone must have asked all the specifics. Asking one of us to do it is troublesome because. Joe's FB has over 6000 members, tons of posts daily. It's not that we don't want to but it takes a large amount of time.
Hijack this thread? hehe. Have you read this tread? Sucks, we talk about everything. Anyways memory has been nudged. My 3mo scan showed original breast tumor had shrunk by 1cm. BUT a second much smaller breast tumor had started to grow thru my breast to "live" on my skin. (looked like I had two nipples, this little nodule had been there pre Ibrance) I had been taking photo's of my breast because the skin nodules were popping up more. 4 mo appt. Onc and I discussing the ct that showed shrinkage. I said but it's spreading.....pulled out my camera and showed her photos. She said this should not be happening.. Scheduled a quick sonogram of breast and the 1st tumor had grown 1 1/2 Cm. is just a mo time. Worried about ulceration and that's how I got into IV chemo..
There's lots more info to that story on this thread and also on the Ibrance thread.
Hugs
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I haven't, Meadow...but in general, when that happens, usually related to conventional treatments, I find that eating couple ounces of cheese puts a quick end to that problem.
Have you tried to take some probiotics at a different time? Maybe at night to rebalance you biodome?
Are you taking just the 1g panacur and getting that reaction
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I will try the cheese. Now that I think of it, I think someone on joe,s board did mention taking a probiotic. I will try that too. Thanks.
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Meadow, I was not on it long, but don't remember D.
Nicole, would you like for me to ask those questions to "Jeff". Everything except the FZ is "supposed" to be daily, no break. Just the break in the FZ. But some people take the FZ 7 days a week and larger doses even. I think we are all in a "panic" so to speak and perhaps they are thinking more is better, or they are late in the game for this work?
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Aww Goldie thanks for offering so sweet of you. If you have free time and can ask that would be great, if not no worries. We do not have facebook because my husbands job in the military prohibits it and he had some privacy issues on there. Otherwise I would have made one. So thanks for offering.
Snook. thanks for clearing that up...I was thinking "wow my MO will not scan before the 3 month mark, how did her's agree to scan twice". but yea ultrasounds are safe. I cannot believe you had something on the skin wow...I just don't understand why the doctors do not like to remove the breast tumors and they leave them there?? I feel like wouldn't it be better to cut off every tumor you can? I wonder if they would have left my cancerous calcifications if they would have known I had it in liver and bone but they didn't find that until a few weeks after my BMX.
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Nicole this is my last attempt : she added the 222mg fenbendazole 3/19 with the vitamin E succinate and tumeric (she was already using CBD and THC). after 1 month we increased to 300mg fenbendazole and then after 1 month to 400mg fenbendazole 4 days a week— which part is unclear to you?
If you had done you’re homework and read Joe’s blog or the posts on this boards, you would know what the protocol is. 3 days on with FZ and everything else, and 4 days only everything else.
How people adjust his protocol is up to THEM! Capisce now
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Nicole, I asked. Will let you know what the response is. Nicole, you could make up a facebook page, say as Wilma Flintstone, don't add any friends and ask to join Joe's page. I would just let them know why the odd name and no friends. Just a thought.
Snooky, have you seen the photos that someone posted with lesions on the outside and they used a paste? I'll post so everyone can see.
A little gross, but hey.....IT WORKED
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Goldie God bless you for moving this thread forward! The visuals although gross speak for themselves! FZ ate up the fkng tumor and NO SE! I'm speechless! Snooky...if the problem presents itself—which I greatly doubt that it will, as you have been ingesting the FZ—you now have a safe alternative! It took only two months...I’m adding to facilitate comprehension...
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Yes, Goldie, I've been watching that thread closely. This was on the man's face.. Two reasons why I have not tried the paste on myself. Taxol pretty much cleared it all up and I had twice the amount that he did. And, it's different types of cancers. There Is still a lot of tumor inside the my breast. So doing that worries me cause I"m thinking Black suave type of effect.
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Frisky...we cross posted just now... It is so tempting
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Oh, also if my memory is correct he used the horse FenBen which comes in a paste. This has the parbens in it.
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Frisky, I guess this is my last attempt as well. You just re quoted the part I quoted...and it is not mentioned how much / many times a week/day they took the turmeric or the Vit E, or even the Fenben for that matter...yes I know at the end of that sentence they say 4 days a week but I was wondering if that also applied to the Tumeric and Vit E or what the dose of those are and the number of times a day. I know in the original posts on here about Joe's protocol it states how many times a week to take the fenben but didn't know if she did the 4 days the entire time or if she worked up to that as she increased the dosage of the fenben, because even as you mentioned people adjust it as they see fit.
You have been on these boards longer than I have and I guess you are just more well versed than me. So if I my post bothered you then honestly just do not reply to me. I do not see anyone else making it sound like my question was annoying to them. If it was to you which you sound like..then please do not reply but I really don't need to be made to feel like you are bothered or I am just too stupid to understand or that I didn't take the time to read it properly. I did ..I just didn't understand it the way you or someone else did.
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Snooky that proves my point that people are using the protocol as they see fit and won’t stop trying till they get results....maybe I’m projecting only what I would do....anyway, these remain amazing results by any account
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Goldie thanks for the info about facebook but yea we will not be getting an account now. The information they require now to set up an account they required phone number and 2 email addresses... We wont be doing that right now but we may be able to use a friends account for the breast cancer information. Thanks though
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Nicole I will second what you said...will ignore your posts, as patience and repeating myself was never my forte....and there’s plenty of generous people on this board that can help with your queries ....
Good luck to you
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Is there any way to actually contact or PM the person that posted on Facebook about her results, and ask her to detail more precisely her protocol?
I used to give Fenbendazole to my rabbit as a dewormer. It caused him to have runny poop, but then again rabbits are very sensitive to dietary changes. The only way I was able to obtain it was through a vet. It was very cheap, but then again the dose was so tiny for an 8 lb rabbit.
I am definitely following this with great interest, and look forward to hearing more success stories with breast cancer patients. In the end, there is no way to predict the efficacy of a drug without actual testing. So many drugs they don't even understand the precise mechanism by which they work, only some general notion of how they might be working. Serendipity has always played a major role in the advancement of science. Its only been very recently that through computer modeling that drugs are being designed to perform a specific intended function. Prior to that its pretty much take something that has serendipitously been found to work, modify it and patent it.
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Snooky, I believe you are right about the parabens. And oh my, I remember reading about that black salve years ago. I think someone put it on their nose and actually lost most of their nose!
Husband I asked the poster, but I think I only inquired about the FZ. I'll go back and look and ask another question about the other supplements. Are you on FB?
I hate to see confrontation among such wonderful ladies. Ya know, sometimes you can read a post and take it differently than what that person was trying to get across. And I could be misunderstanding something as well. I like hearing from ALL of you.
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Aww Goldie I agree. After I read Frisky replies to me they made me feel bad and felt stupid as well. I struggled when I was younger with a slight learning disability so when I read things especially on here with regards to medical stuff I struggle. However, I felt I had to insist that someone not reply to me rather than be annoyed at me or say things to me that make me feel bad. I edited to add in that I would never want to sound snarky or want to make anyone feel bad here so if I sounded that way that is definitely not how I was feeling when I wrote any of my posts I only felt the way I described here.
I love all the ladies on here and have a few that we PM regularly and even talk on the phone. I will continue to ask questions to be informed the best I can and I will also try to give out any information I come across that could help :
Husband I am glad you asked I also (as you probably saw above) had questions too. If you do get to PM the person would you please post your findings here, if so that would be a blessing to us all.
Snooky, I meant to tell you earlier I read some articles yesterday regarding the Tumeric and Curcurmin but they were not from the PubMed you mentioned so I am not sure how reliable they are I also posted one on here (maybe not in this thread but on this subject) I think, a while ago with findings that they weren't good for ER+ BC but I haven't looked back at my pasts posts on all threads to find it so I was trying to find another one.
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Snooky: this is the thread where they named you https://m.facebook.com/groups/244815949755622?view...
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Frisky, there are two or three nodules not bunched together in the cauliflower look left on my breast. When the Ct results come in there is never a measurement like with the other solid tumor. This one coming thru my skin is called "cribform" and it's stated as non-invasive, in situ. It's not a solid tumor just a collection of nodules inside my breast. I guess the CT doesn't know/see what's on the out side. My fear is that it would work, break thru my skin and continue (where the cancer is) right thru my breast.
Where the photo's of the man he had skin cancer. I have breast cancer that came out onto the skin. I just don't know how deep it is.
There are also two different women who have fumigating tumors that I've been following. One lady has had the breast tumor for 12yrs and it's the size of a mango!!!!!!! She has not and will go to the drs. So I'm watching them and will let this group know the results.
AND YES ABSOLUTELY the man with skin cancer had amazing results.
Thank you Sonia for the link, I appreciate it.
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Meadows4 - have not had liquid diarrhea, but I have experienced gut pains the days I take FZ. I guess I have worms!
Nicole, I am nobody to give advice to anyone, and I am the most novice here, but if I were you, I would start taking the FZ 220 mg 3 on 4 off and would not wait to have more knowledge about the other supplements. If you have doubts about curcumine of vit E, just don't take it by now. But do not forget that the main ingredient of this cure is FZ, do not let the rest delay you. FZ is safe, you have nothing to lose. The original recipe was only FZ, the rest is added by Joe. Good Luck!
Frisky: where is the 🍾🥂? Where is Mario del Monaco singing "Esultate"? This merits it!
I don't know why I have assumed that you like opera only because you are Italian, but if you like it, Esultate is perfect to celebrate our victory! Isn't it?
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The Moss Reports are a good resource for natural treatments and the studies that back them up or disprove them. Done by Ralph Moss. He lists curcumin as well validated for efficacy but there is no fine print re hormone pos or neg.
I spoke to a MO who is cited in the Moss report so I got recs specific to me. MY rec is heavt curcumin supplemtation of 4000-6000 mg day ( 8 to 12 500mg pills). Zero side effects at this dose other than I now feel like the tin man after he got oil!!
EVERYONE ought to have a naturopathic physician who is expert in these nutritional areas -- not polling one another on an internet site-- to get patient specific advice, dosages, etc. Or call Care Oncology and speak to them. This is not a time to fly blind when there are doctors out there with this expertise.
A naturopathic consult and initial exam and labs might run several hundred dollars and might or might not be covered by insurance but then you have a person to talk to and to be seen by and to run tests for you if you get any weird SEs. Or go to an Integrative Onc.
Dr Keith Block who I got my consult from was $1800. VERY comprehensive and included some labs and 4 specific consults re nutrition, chemo, supplements, and psychological wellbeing... Naturopath is less expensive but an integrative MO is state of the art person re knowing about BOTH chemo AND nutrition AND any exceptions re the specific cancer one is dealing with.
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The worry with curcumin is that it interferes with some drug metabolism pathways, in particular Cyp3A and Cyp2C9. I am not sure if you are familiar with Constantin Kaniklidis, but he write and researches on medical subject and in particular takes great interest in breast cancer. He often posts or posted in Inspire. According to him, the interference is not clinically significant, just speculative. Someone on her did post a recent study with I believe tamoxifen and curcumin, and they showed it did reduce circulating levels of the metabolized drug, statistically significant, but no saying its clinically significant.
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Snooky I believe that FZ doesn't work like the black salve they use in the East, because it's not meant to burn everything in its path. According to the article published in NATURE—link recently posted on the previous page—the quintessential scientific publication for TRADITIONAL THERAPIES, it works in three different ways, one of which is to wake up P53 our disabled anti cancer missile, our own built in stealth 54 bomber, that is out of commission in cancer patients. FZ can apparently distinguish cancer cells from normal cells.
Sonia...I found this version on Youtube, apparently it's Mario' BEST Version...and mamma mia what a voice, he must have taken lots of iron that day!.
For those of you interested in the McFallard approach...I started taking small amounts of quercitin, which supposedly blocks the fatty acid pathway, and a few minutes ago I took my first dose of liquid chlorophyll, which I LOVED while I chewed on delicious green dandelions I got at Whole Foods....I don't really know what'sgoing on, BUT I was walking around wth my friend for more than 2 hours and 30 minutes and I'm still not tired, not even mildly fatigued. This is unheard of, for me....so needless to say I'm happy...something is starting to work...and Maitake 4x extract is on its way....ulala...
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